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09 Aug 2002, 09:58 PM
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Canada Open Cup -- If not, then why not?
In the recent past, the U.S. Open Cup winner has received a bid to the CONCACAF Champions Cup. In the absence of a "Canadian League" per se, why not have a Canada Open Cup involving all of the nation's senior-level professional and amateur teams? Soccer Canada could then submit the winner of this competition as the true National Champion for a bid in the Champions Cup. Even if CONCACAF chose to compel the Canada Open Cup winner to qualify via the Caribbean Zone or Central American Zone qualifying, would this not be better than nothing? I put it to you, esteemed neighbors.
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09 Aug 2002, 10:52 PM
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Canada Open Cup -- If not, then why not?
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Originally posted by DCsub5for16
In the recent past, the U.S. Open Cup winner has received a bid to the CONCACAF Champions Cup. In the absence of a "Canadian League" per se, why not have a Canada Open Cup involving all of the nation's senior-level professional and amateur teams? Soccer Canada could then submit the winner of this competition as the true National Champion for a bid in the Champions Cup. Even if CONCACAF chose to compel the Canada Open Cup winner to qualify via the Caribbean Zone or Central American Zone qualifying, would this not be better than nothing? I put it to you, esteemed neighbors.
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Why wasn't Rochester allowed to compete when they won the US Open Cup?
No one should take notice of this tournament until it is cleaned up.
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09 Aug 2002, 11:20 PM
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Canada Open Cup -- If not, then why not?
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Would A-League teams that won the Open Cup been invited? No likely.
Besides, who would want to compete in a competition that most see as "byzantine".
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It's not as if A-League teams have never been invited before (see Seattle Sounders). Even the Brooklyn Italians amateurs competed in 1991. The invitations don't depend on how good a team is; only that they are the best in their nation as determined by the certifying competition.
Do you consider the UEFA Champions League "byzantine" as well? Seems like plenty of teams want in to that "byzantine" competition. Although, to be fair, the $$$ is a bit better in that confederation's cup competition.
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09 Aug 2002, 11:21 PM
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Canada Open Cup -- If not, then why not?
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Originally posted by DoyleG
Why wasn't Rochester allowed to compete when they won the US Open Cup?
No one should take notice of this tournament until it is cleaned up.
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I can't swear to it, but I would guess that was the doing of U.S. Soccer and MLS, rather than CONCACAF.
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15 Aug 2002, 06:17 PM
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I think everyone is a little off-point on this thread. It's not that Rochester deserved or didn't deserve a Concacaf Cup bid. And it's not the point that Canada should have a tournament so that they can get a bid. The point is that Canada should get a tournament because Canada SHOULD have a tournament, and SHOULD have a league. Focus should be on the main goal.
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17 Aug 2002, 02:40 PM
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Canadian Open Cup
With the talk of the CUSL there had been talk of Calgary hosting a mini-tourney in September that would crown the Canadian champion. Unfortunately even that modest enterprise seems to have come to naught. It's a sad statement that the CSA is unable to even organise this much of an effort.
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17 Aug 2002, 04:17 PM
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Canada Open Cup -- If not, then why not?
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Originally posted by CalgaryMJ
With the talk of the CUSL there had been talk of Calgary hosting a mini-tourney in September that would crown the Canadian champion. Unfortunately even that modest enterprise seems to have come to naught. It's a sad statement that the CSA is unable to even organise this much of an effort.
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The big thing about the CUSL was that there was to be 4 more teams along with the A-League squads. The inter-locking schedule would have been a bit too much for the A-League teams. It would have been hard to convince owners in other cities to jump aboard such a plan.
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17 Aug 2002, 08:28 PM
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Re: Canada Open Cup -- If not, then why not?
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The big thing about the CUSL was that there was to be 4 more teams along with the A-League squads. The inter-locking schedule would have been a bit too much for the A-League teams. It would have been hard to convince owners in other cities to jump aboard such a plan.
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That was the long term plan with those 8 teams constituing a Canadian Conference within the A-League. When they couldn't get that to fly, as an interim item and to get themselves some credibility there was going to be a Canadian champion crowned in Calgary the second weekend of September. To the best of my knowledge that whole championship concept is now DOA unfortunately and I don't see anything on the horizon to replace it.
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19 Aug 2002, 01:39 AM
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Canada Open Cup -- If not, then why not?
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Originally posted by CalgaryMJ
That was the long term plan with those 8 teams constituing a Canadian Conference within the A-League. When they couldn't get that to fly, as an interim item and to get themselves some credibility there was going to be a Canadian champion crowned in Calgary the second weekend of September. To the best of my knowledge that whole championship concept is now DOA unfortunately and I don't see anything on the horizon to replace it.
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It would have been hard to convince owners and fans in Edmonton to go along with the CUSL proposal.
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20 Aug 2002, 07:48 AM
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Re: Canada Open Cup -- If not, then why not?
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Originally posted by DoyleG
It would have been hard to convince owners and fans in Edmonton to go along with the CUSL proposal.
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Owners of what? Last I checked there wasn't a team of note in Edmonton.
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