World Cup 2010 CONCACAF Qualifiers

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  1. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
    Translated from Panama FA website :


    The Organizing Committee of the FIFA World Cup has formally ratified the
    format of competition proposed by the Confederations, in this case CONCACAF,
    for qualifying for the World Cup South Africa 2010.

    The competition will begin in February of 2008 and will end in November of
    2009. The draw will be held in Durban (South Africa) on 25 November 2007,
    where the rival of Panama for the second qualifying round of CONCACAF will be
    known.

    The 35 participating member associations of CONCACAF are seeded on the basis of
    the FIFA rankings of May 2007, where PANAMA is number 5 on the list behind
    Mexico, the United States, Costa Rica and Honduras.

    According to the competition format, the first round will consist of the 23
    participating member associations in positions 13 to 35. The round consists of
    11 home-and-away series of matches, while St. Vincent and the Grenadines have
    a bye. The winners and St. Vincent and the Grenadines advance to the second
    round.

    For the second round, the 11 first round winners and St. Vincent and the
    Grenadines will be matched against the remaining 12 participating member
    associations, among them PANAMA.

    The 24 teams will match up in 12 home-and-away series, where the winners will
    advance to the Third Round.

    The 12 winners will be grouped in the Third Round in three (3) groups of four
    (4) teams that will play home and away round-robin against everyone.

    The group winners and runners-up advance to the Fourth Round or Hexagonal
    Final, where the six teams will form a group that will play home and away
    round-robin against everyone.

    The best three (3) teams of the Hexagonal Final qualify for the FIFA World
    Cup South Africa 2010. The team in the fourth position will play a
    home-and-away playoff with the fifth-place team in the South American zone.

    http://www.fepafut.com/noticiasdetail.asp?id=939


    The 12 teams with a bye to the 2nd round are not the 12 semifinal round teams from last cycle, but the top 12 teams in the May FIFA rankings:

    1. Mexico
    2. USA
    3. Costa Rica
    4. Honduras
    5. Panama
    6. T&T
    7. Jamaica
    8. Cuba
    9. Haiti
    10. Guatemala
    11. Canada
    12. Guyana

    #13 St. Vincent & the G's also gets a bye but must play one of the top 12 teams.
     
  2. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    I always find that using rankings that are six months out of date* provides the best indication of current strength - don't you - especially when you have had your CONTINENTAL TOURNAMENT FINALS in the interim.

    Why not use March rankings, then Canada wouldn't be seeded (as 13th - and they are 4th now!!).

    J

    * - by the time of the draw.
     
  4. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    I understand where you're coming from and your point is valid.

    However there are a number of good reasons to use retroactive rankings to decide the seeding pots, not the least of which is to avoid a 'points race' in between the time of the announcement and the time of the draw.

    You should also bear in mind that most of these formats seem to have been drawn up in may and were ratified on the first of june by FIFA. The only reason we're only now hearing about it is because of FIFA's trademark lack of transparency and penchant for dramatism
     
  5. narduch

    narduch New Member

    Apr 14, 2005
    Anybody know the seeding procedure for the semi-final round? Will it be based on the May 2007 FIFA rankings as well? If so, that sucks.
     
  6. narduch

    narduch New Member

    Apr 14, 2005
    If the current rankings were used, the same 12 teams would be seeded, and St. Vincent would still be 13th.

    http://fifa.com/worldfootball/ranki...fullranking.html#confederation=23914&rank=159
     
  7. jonny63

    jonny63 Member+

    Feb 17, 2005
    Norway
    ZURICH, Switzerland (AP) -- The United States was among 13 nations that will receive a first-round bye in soccer's North and Central American and Caribbean qualifying for the 2010 World Cup.

    FIFA, soccer's governing body, said Friday it based the decision on its rankings from May, when the United States was second in the region, a position it also holds in the latest rankings. Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, Panama, Trinidad and Tobago, Jamaica, Cuba, Haiti, Guatemala, Canada, Guyana and St. Vincent and the Grenadines also received first-round byes.

    Twenty-two nations will be slotted into home-and-home pairings during the World Cup qualifying draw on Nov. 25 in Durban, South Africa. The 11 winners and St. Vincent will drawn against the top 12 seeds in the second round, which likely will be in June. The 12 second-round winners advance to the semifinals, which will retain the same format from 2006 qualifying, with three groups of four.

    The top two teams in each semifinal group advance to the six-nation regional finals. The top three teams in the finals qualify for the 32-nation field, and the No. 4 team meets the fifth-place team from South American in a home-and-home playoff for another berth.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=ap-worldcup-us&prov=ap&type=lgns
     
  8. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's who I figured went up and down from the 2006 WCQ seeding system if they go by FIFA rankings. I posted this over in the FIFA forum.

    Guatemala - from Pot C to Pot B
    Panama - from Pot C to Pot B

    Honduras - from Pot B to Pot C
    Jamaica - from Pot B to Pot C
    Cuba - from Pot E to Pot C
    Haiti - from Pot E to Pot C
    Guyana - from Pot F to Pot C

    St. Vincent & Grenadines - from Pot C to Pot D

    El Salvador - from Pot C to Pot E
    Barbados - from Pot C to Pot E
    Nicaragua - from Pot D to Pot E
    Bahamas - from Pot F to Pot E
    Antigua & Barbuda - from Pot F to Pot E

    Belize - from Pot D to Pot F
    Dominica - from Pot E to Pot F
    Netherlands Antilles - from Pot E to Pot F
    Puerto Rico - from not competing to Pot F

    El Sal and St. Vincent are hurt the most by this.

    Let me state that I will not be surprised in the slightest if we get to the draw in November and it has reverted to the previous format or if El Salvador takes Guyana's seeded spot with no explanation.

    And I'll LMAO if St. Vincent still qualifies for the semifinal round. They're undefeated all-time in WCQ knockout rounds over four tournaments, 8-0.

    Awesome. We have our draw format. I'm now waiting for Peter Goldstein's rant on it over at planetworldcup. He's always a great read and is the most knowledgeable person covering CONCACAF on the whole internet.
     
  9. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I sent Peter a private message on this board asking him if he is going to write about CONCACAF or any other confederations' World Cup Qualifying format and draw, but he hasn't responded. I'm considering e-mailing him. I won't post his e-mail address here but you can get it from http://www.planetworldcup.com/GUESTS/peter20070627.html
     
  10. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    patience young grasshopper...
     
  11. JLSA

    JLSA Member

    Nov 11, 2003
    Hmm, yes that's true (although the formats were ratified on 27 June at the EXCO meeting).

    Anyway, it might be worth mentioning how little we actually know at this point, because we DON'T know (from the FIFA website) what will be drawn in Durban.

    Will it just be the 11 first round ties, will it be the 1st and 2nd round ties, will it (like last time) also be the semi-final groups? If they go that far, how will they be ensuring the groups are "even" and so on? If they only draw some of the above, will they use more "up-to-date" FIFA ranks when they get around to drawing the semi groups? It's almost like they don't care that some people (not me of course, no way at all, definitely not) hang on every shred of information they release.

    This seem only to be the case for CONCACAF - for all others we know what they will be drawing already (UEFA, CAF, AFC are groups - first stage in the case of CAF and AFC but the preliminaries are before the draw - CONMEBOL and OFC don't need draws).

    J
     
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A simple way to try to do the semifinal draw before any qualifiers have been played and try to balance the semifinal groups would be to put the best seed in Group 1 and the 12th seed in Group 12 and the same for every first round group. Then make one semifinal group have the winners of 1, 6, 7, and 12; another group would have the winners of 2, 5, 8, and 11; and another group would have the winners of 3, 4, 9, and 10 (with the sums being 26 for each).
    There's a lot of soccer left to be played and drawn this year.
     
  13. GIO17

    GIO17 Member

    Nov 29, 1998
    :confused:
     
  14. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A perfectly balanced semfiinal round draw in theory is:

    1 seed
    6
    7
    12

    2
    5
    8
    11

    3
    4
    9
    10
     
  15. jpg75

    jpg75 Member

    Jun 11, 2005
    Toronto, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Based on the May rankings gives us:

    Mexico
    T&T
    Jamaica
    Guyana

    USA
    Panama
    Cuba
    Canada

    Costa Rica
    Honduras
    Haiti
    Guatemala
     
  16. jpg75

    jpg75 Member

    Jun 11, 2005
    Toronto, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Based on the newest rankings (August)

    Mexico
    T&T
    Panama
    SVG

    USA
    Honduras
    Cuba
    Jamaica

    Canada
    Costa Rica
    Haiti
    Guatemala
     
  17. dcpohl

    dcpohl Member+

    Feb 9, 2007
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have there ever been any big upsets in the stage before group play?
     
  18. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    Cuba almost eliminated CR in the last WCQ, 3-3 agg score
     
  19. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cuba lost to Barbados on penalties for the 2002 WCQ.

    Barbados went on to the semifinal stage and even beat Costa Rica 2-1 in their first game. So they have the pride of stating they once led a CONCACAF semifinal group after one round.

    Barbados 1-0-0 3pts 2:1 +1
    USA 0-0-1 1pt 1:1 0
    Guatemala 0-0-1 1pt 1:1 0
    Costa Rica 0-1-0 0pts 1:2 -1
     
  20. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    I remember that game, what an upset :(
    then CR won the 2001 HEX and got the first ticket to the 2002WC:cool:
     
  21. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    If this happens you'll hear how Jack Warner rigged it all once again...:rolleyes:
     
  22. Flyin Ryan

    Flyin Ryan Member

    May 13, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the Reggae Boyz could take them. They're one of the best C-teams.
     
  23. Trin

    Trin Member

    Sep 6, 2005
    pa
    ^^
    would be a close game but most likely both teams will win at home
    If anything we have the edge now :D
     
  24. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    This is my point. Not only do Jamaica still have pedigree in Concacaf, but they happen to be one of our toughest rivals. No matter what team they bring out, Jamaica always plays us hard.

    But of course, all we're gonna hear is the "I can't believe Mexico got three caribbean islands (sic)" chorus
     
  25. Azuran

    Azuran Member

    Nov 15, 2006
    Toronto, ON
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada

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