[Andy TAUS]

Originally posted by CelticOnFire
What months would it be played?

CelticOnFire

Hopefully in Jan/Feb in the middle of our summer, giving us some home-town advantage !!!

If it were actually to be awarded to somewhere in AUS, then I'd expect it about the same time as the Sydney 2000 Olympics were held (September) or a little earlier, perhaps somewhere between July & August (late winter - early spring).

Seriously though, it'll never happen for two reasons: UEFA & CONMEBOL.

Andy T.

[Auxodium]

Sydney 2000
Melbourne 1956
Cricket World Cup 1992
Rugby World Cup 2003
Rugby World 7's
AFL Grand Final
Perth, Adelaide & South Melbourne's crowds in the NSL

We have big crowds,great venues that can be adjusted and we have held huge events on a world scale. I suppose Sydney 2000 would be the huge reason to give it to us. I think we can host and i am sure we will in 10 years time, If we make it (we will) to Germany in 2006 and then 2010 then FIFA will see no problem in handing the OFC and Australia the gig.

For Australia i reckon Jan/Feb would be a suitable time or September/October but i would go for an Aussie summer kick off as there will hardly be wheather effects (besides Brisbane)

[Filho do Dragão]

I like Australia hosting a World Cup. The soonest they can is 2018. Brazil has the 2014 WC. So CONMEBOL would be stupid trying to oppose Australia 2018. It's only UEFA that could foul things up.

[Andy TAUS]

Originally Posted by Filho do Dragão

I like Australia hosting a World Cup. The soonest they can is 2018. Brazil has the 2014 WC. So CONMEBOL would be stupid trying to oppose Australia 2018. It's only UEFA that could foul things up.

Filho do Dragão,

Do you really think that UEFA will let there be 3 WC's in succession in the Southern Hemishphere (SA 2010; BRA 2014 & Oceania 2018) ?

CONMEBOL will have to pay back the favour they owe UEFA (for helping CONMEBOL shaft Oceania's direct entry to the WC 2006) by sinking the WC Finals continental rotation system immediately after BRA 2014 has been formally agreed by FIFA's Executive Committee. WC 2018 will go to Europe, no matter what anyone (Mrs Septic Bladder included) in FIFA says in the politicking up until it's decided.

These guys have no honour nor scruples, let alone have "the good of the game" as their objective.

[Trussy in Oz]

I suspect with the power shared between Europe and South America the rotation idea will be operated a little more loosely, I expect it to be something like this.

2006 – Europe
2010 – Africa
2014 – South America
2020 – Europe
2022 – Asia [probably China]
2026 – Europe
2030 – South America [Uruguay]
2034 – Europe
2038 - North America


All rather depressing reading if you are from one of the less influential Confederations, but then again it is all about the money and one day the "buying" power of Asia will outweigh that of Europe. Then TV rights sponsors will come running, look how keen European teams are to sell shirts in Asia, therefore influence for Asia in Fifa increases
and the balance of power changes. South America will always have influential as long as their teams keep on winning, and then blackmail the other confederations with the “we won’t turn up and it’s not a world cup without us” routine, The worst case scenario is of course that if Europe and South America feel that their power is waning they will try too establish a Europe v South America competition only, outside of Fifa, look how reluctant these confederations are to have African, Asian or other confederation representatives at the world club championship, insisting that the world club champion can only be played between a European and south American side.
Well I feel better after that rant, hopefully I haven’t depressed everyone from Oceania, North America or Asia who were hoping to see a “local” World Cup during their lifetime.

The chances of Australia hosting the event is almost non existent, it would only happen if some other country pulled out at the last minute, rather like Mexico got 1986 instead of Columbia who had been awarded to competition

[Caesar]

I think the number of rotations to Europe in your list is a bit excessive (3 in 5 tournaments, from your analysis) - I believe that Oceania will get a look-in in one of those spots. I wouldn't be too optimistic about 2018, but I think 2022, 2026 or 2030 is a certainty.

It will eventually come around - you have to look at the other relevant factors in terms of ability to host the championships. The Olympics is a good example of how this works - although admittedly Oceania is in more dire straits than this.

When Australia develops a decent domestic league, I think we will be much more attractive prospects. Don't forget USA '94 - the country didn't even have MLS in those days, there were other factors considered aside from footballing prowess. I believe Australia is up to this, as the only real possible candidate from Oceania.

[Andy TAUS]

Originally Posted by Trussy in Oz

2006 – Europe
2010 – Africa
2014 – South America
2020 – Europe
2022 – Asia [probably China]
2026 – Europe
2030 – South America [Uruguay]
2034 – Europe
2038 - North America

Trussy, think your calculator can't count in 4's sometimes !!!

Realistically, in AUS, never in any of our lifetimes.

[Trussy in Oz]

Caesar,

United States of America 250 Million people for World Cup 1994

Australia now 20 Million, there is something about our breeding habits that I or more importantly my wife hasn't heard about, but I do not believe that we have a realistic chance of developing our population sufficiently in time for the World Cup any time soon.

[Andy TAUS]

Originally Posted by Trussy in Oz

Caesar,

United States of America 250 Million people for World Cup 1994

Australia now 20 Million, there is something about our breeding habits that I or more importantly my wife hasn't heard about, but I do not believe that we have a realistic chance of developing our population sufficiently in time for the World Cup any time soon.

Trussy,

Didn't stop AUS from running the Olympics (twice) very successfully. How do you figure that AUS' population is a significant determinant for running the footballing WC as successfully ?

[Trussy in Oz]

2006 – Europe
2010 – Africa
2014 – South America
2018 - Asia [probably China]
2022– Europe
2026 – Asia [probably China]
2030 – South America [Uruguay]
2034 –North America
2038 - Europe

How did I miss that I obviously am on the Maradonda diet of mathematics

[Trussy in Oz]

Not the running Andy T., but being a section of the worlds population which consumes sufficient items to justify making the effort to come down here, for a “world” sport.
We have proved over the years that we can hoist very successful competitions, the Olympics or “world cup” in commonwealth sports such as Rugby Union, League, Cricket or swimming.
Why is Football not a Commonwealth sport? I don’t know but it would be nice during the Commonwealth games to beat the English at something important, you know that the AFL are relived that its not a commonwealth game.

[Auxodium]

THAT is a great question! why don't they have that? we could play Canada, South Africa, England, New Zealand, Pakistan, Nigeria, India, Egypt, Scotland, Wales & N Ireland, etc and play great quality games.

[Caesar]

Originally Posted by Trussy in Oz

Caesar,

United States of America 250 Million people for World Cup 1994

Australia now 20 Million, there is something about our breeding habits that I or more importantly my wife hasn't heard about, but I do not believe that we have a realistic chance of developing our population sufficiently in time for the World Cup any time soon.

I don't think population is too much of a worry. The ratings for WC2002 were enough to show that people here can be interested in football, despite the fact it is not a premier sport. Additionally, events like the Rugby World Cup and the Olympics show that Australians will attend big occassions even if they aren't their usual sporting fare. Compound that with thousands of visitors from Asia... I don't think we'd have trouble filling the stands. Population isn't a major factor.

The biggest concern will be the politicking between the confederations. One possible glimmer of hope is that FIFA sees Asia as the future of football - and a World Cup to Oceania would be a way of working another rotation into the region.

[Caesar]

Originally Posted by Glorious_Fan

THAT is a great question! why don't they have that? we could play Canada, South Africa, England, New Zealand, Pakistan, Nigeria, India, Egypt, Scotland, Wales & N Ireland, etc and play great quality games.

The Commonwealth Games coincide with World Cup year... imagine the headache trying to get the players, even an u/23 squad.

[beachesl]

Originally Posted by Caesar

The Commonwealth Games coincide with World Cup year... imagine the headache trying to get the players, even an u/23 squad.

For the 2010 Commonwealth Games, awarded a few months ago to New Delhi, India, Football (soccer) was on the proposal of the Hamilton, Ontario bid. It makes little sense for countries where soccer is not a primary sport, as the interest will not be there, lost amongst all the other sports. The generic games like the Olympics have gotten too big, and the tendency now is to reduce the number of sports, especially team sports where there are lots of
other specialized tournaments.

[beachesl]

2030 – South America [Uruguay]

Sorry to be the kid who says that the Emperor has no clothes, but there is absolutely no way Uruguay hosts a World Cup of 32 teams, unless it cohosts with one of its bigger neighbours. Uruguay has only one stadium big enough, and it is so old that it would take major renovation to make it suitable:
http://www.worldstadiums.com/south_a.../uruguay.shtml
Uruguay is the continent's economic basketcase, there is no way they could afford the infrastructure. No sense using it as an example, if it is completely unrealistic. May as well talk about holding it on the moon.

Certainly, FIFA should recognize the fact that 2030 is the Centennial of the World Cup that started in Montevideo (in only one stadium, only 13 teams and only 18 total matches vs 64 these days). This can be done with one Group if it is primarily hosted elsewhere in South America, or if there is separate small friendly tournament as part of pre-WC competition (say Uruguay, Brazil, Mexico and France, the last two playing in the first WC match) or a single commemorative match.

[Trussy in Oz]

Beaches,

That’s a very good point, I just suspect that Fifa will find someway, at the expense of some “less important” Confederation.
If not, then your idea of a Centennial competition sounds interesting, another opportunity for the English to get upset by not being invited, particular if the French were to go.

[Auxodium]

Well countries that don't play often should try and find some time for the CG's but true it is hard due to a WC year but i am sure something could be arranged. It isn't the international calander that is crowded it is the clubs claiming it is.

but remove qualifiers for a Cweath Games and base 16 teams on FIFA qualifiers like the OFC cup or Euro qualification etc. But the lesser teams like India, Pakistan, Fiji etc sould do something for more games.

[Auxodium]

Well if we are successful in a Confederations Cup bid, where shall we play them?

I suggest group games in Adelaide & Perth, the final in Sydney/Melbourne, 3rd place in Melbourne/Sydney & Semi finals in Brisbane & someone else

[man rovers]

sorry people i hope the aussie dont get it cos i will ave to watch the world cup at 1am in the morning