[Excape Goat]

This thread is about the rivalries that were limited by time frame. I meant rivalries such as the current one between Barcelona and Chelsea, or AC Milan and Olympique Marseille in the early 1990's.

So which one was the greatest?

Real Madrid-Benfica early 1960's.
AC Milan-Olympique Marseille early 1990's.
AC Milan-Barcelona early 1990's(This one is interesting that the rivalry spilled into the Spain-Italy quaterfinal at WC 1994)

Was there a rivalry between Ajax and Bayern Munich in the early 1970's?


I actually ranked the current one between Barcelona and Chelsea very high in the order based on the fact that both teams kept drawing against each other.

[Bertje]

Well Ajax once beat Bayern 5-0 in a friendly at Munich in 1972. That didn't make Bayern very happy. Not much later after that Ajax scored four times in the European Champion's Cup against them, ending 4-0 in one of the very best matches ever. Didn't make them very happy either. For the return Cruijff didn't want to play, because it wasn't needed. Didn't... you get the picture.

And then there is ofcourse Cruijff's 'farewell' match in 1978. Most of the same Bayern players defeated us by 8-0. That didn't do much for our love for them. You can say there was a rivalry, but I think it has more to do with Dutchmen and Germans in general.

[Gregoriak]

Originally Posted by Bertje

Well Ajax once beat Bayern 5-0 in a friendly at Munich in 1972.

Due to the Olympics being held in Munich in September 1972, the German domestic league only started in late-September 72. When Ajax played Bayern in that friendly, the domestic Dutch league had already started while Bayern had just been in training for a week or so. This may explain the result.

That didn't make Bayern very happy. Not much later after that Ajax scored four times in the European Champion's Cup against them, ending 4-0 in one of the very best matches ever. Didn't make them very happy either. For the return Cruijff didn't want to play, because it wasn't needed. Didn't... you get the picture.

When you watch the 4-0, it is interesting to see that Bayern was the dominating side in the first 55 minutes. Ajax were pretty lucky winning that game by four goals if you consider the complete 90 minutes (and Sepp Maier made two or even three crucial blunders). 2-1 or so would have been a more deserved score.

[Excape Goat]

Originally Posted by Bertje

Well Ajax once beat Bayern 5-0 in a friendly at Munich in 1972. That didn't make Bayern very happy. Not much later after that Ajax scored four times in the European Champion's Cup against them, ending 4-0 in one of the very best matches ever. Didn't make them very happy either. For the return Cruijff didn't want to play, because it wasn't needed. Didn't... you get the picture.

And then there is ofcourse Cruijff's 'farewell' match in 1978. Most of the same Bayern players defeated us by 8-0. That didn't do much for our love for them. You can say there was a rivalry, but I think it has more to do with Dutchmen and Germans in general.

I guess it was liked Benfica and Real madrid where the champ vs the pretender type of rivalry. I assumed that Cruyff had left for Barcelona by time Bayern Munich came into being. Perhaps, the rivalry would be Cruyff vs Ajax back then.

[Bertje]

Originally Posted by Gregoriak

When you watch the 4-0, it is interesting to see that Bayern was the dominating side in the first 55 minutes. Ajax were pretty lucky winning that game by four goals if you consider the complete 90 minutes (and Sepp Maier made two or even three crucial blunders). 2-1 or so would have been a more deserved score.

The goalkeeper is also part of a time and that means his blunders are just as much blunders of the team as a blunder of for example a midfielder. You also seem to forget another ball was kicked off your goalline after another blunder from Maier.

[Bertje]

Originally Posted by Excape Goat

I guess it was liked Benfica and Real madrid where the champ vs the pretender type of rivalry. I assumed that Cruyff had left for Barcelona by time Bayern Munich came into being. Perhaps, the rivalry would be Cruyff vs Ajax back then.

Cruijff never really had problems with Ajax. Later on he had some trouble with the board (and earlier he also had some), but he often trained with Ajax when he was in Amsterdam.

[Excape Goat]

Originally Posted by Bertje

Cruijff never really had problems with Ajax. Later on he had some trouble with the board (and earlier he also had some), but he often trained with Ajax when he was in Amsterdam.

Didn't he have some problems with his teammates? Or am I thinking of someone else?

[Bertje]

Well, the main reason for Cruijff's departure was just the thought of making more money in Spain. Yet their was also a break in the group. Piet Keizer, who used to be captain but had turned down the captainship, had problems with Cruijff being the biggest star and Cruijff appointing himself as leader of the group and got help from some less talented players, mainly Arie Haan (a trick the bastard would repeat at Anderlecht).

Cruijff decided to leave, but he never had a real problem with Ajax, just some individual problems with some players.

[621380]

Originally Posted by Bertje

The goalkeeper is also part of a time and that means his blunders are just as much blunders of the team as a blunder of for example a midfielder. You also seem to forget another ball was kicked off your goalline after another blunder from Maier.

yes blunders are blunders and maier did some in this game....so it was still a deserved win for ajax....additional i have point out in perspectice that gerd müller was still affected from a particulare broken calfbone..doctors found it out only 2 weeks before this game with ajax....the injury he suffered 2 weeks earlyer in a leaque match in berlin , (4 weeks before the ajax match)..he was taken out of 2 leaque games with pains.....there was a wrong diagnostic of doctors after the berlin game..
müller pretty much was useless in this game against ajax, but anyway bayern has played with him in this match and it hasent worked out...............

[621380]

Originally Posted by Bertje

The goalkeeper is also part of a time and that means his blunders are just as much blunders of the team as a blunder of for example a midfielder. You also seem to forget another ball was kicked off your goalline after another blunder from Maier.

yes blunders are blunders and maier did some in this game....so it was still a deserved win for ajax....additional i have point out in perspectice that gerd müller was still affected from a particulare broken calfbone..doctors found it out only 2 weeks before this game with ajax....the injury he suffered 2 weeks earlyer in a leaque match in berlin , (4 weeks before the ajax match)..he was taken out of 2 leaque games with pains.....there was a wrong diagnostic of doctors after the berlin game..
müller pretty much was useless in this game against ajax, but anyway bayern has played with him in this match and it hasent worked out...............