[KUBI_nu11]

1. Who' s the most useful player Dortmund bought this year?

2. Who dissapointed you the most so fare?

Frei? Valdez? Pineer?

P.S: tricky question of course (ex: Frei should have scored more goals but did a lot of assists... Valdez: how much again? Pineer, a great midfielder?)

[BvB916]

i want to see vanderfart in bvb or high quality player in middlefield, there are rumors that metze will leave the club so finding good defender such as anderlacht player vandern bor should start from now..

i am dissaopinted about pienar and also tinga, i dont think that these two players from the quailty of bvb players, the club need more effeciency players in middlfield.



frei did well till now
valdez is unliky
that all

[footyfan1]

Originally Posted by KUBI_nu11

1. Who' s the most useful player Dortmund bought this year?

Martin Amedick. Very closely followed by Tinga.

Originally Posted by KUBI_nu11

2. Who dissapointed you the most so fare?

Frei? Valdez? Pineer?

P.S: tricky question of course (ex: Frei should have scored more goals but did a lot of assists... Valdez: how much again? Pineer, a great midfielder?)

Pienaar is my biggest disappointment among the new players, closely followed by Valdez.

My biggest disappointment overall right now is a guy who isn't playing all that badly in comparison to the rest, but he isn't giving the effort we're used to seeing from him.

That would be Dede........

[footyfan1]

Originally Posted by BvB916

i want to see vanderfart in bvb or high quality player in middlefield, there are rumors that metze will leave the club so finding good defender such as anderlacht player vandern bor should start from now..

BVB managment are way ahead of you. If Metzelder leaves, you can bet we will sign Bielefeld's Heiko Westermann.

Hell, we may get Westermann even if Metzelder stays.

Originally Posted by BvB916

i am dissaopinted about pienar and also tinga, i dont think that these two players from the quailty of bvb players, the club need more effeciency players in middlfield.

Pienaar, I definitely agree with, but what the heck has been "disappointing" about Tinga??

Tinga has been one of the best players in this first round for us. I'd f#cking hate to see where we would be without him.

Were it not for how Amedick came in and shored up our defense once BVB finally realized that Markus Brzenska SUCKS (As I said near the end of last season), I think we would be at least in the lower half of the table right now.

Originally Posted by BvB916

frei did well till now

Frei missed too many sitters. He should be pushing Klose and Pantelic for the league lead in goals.

Don't forget two of his five goals are converted penalties. He's on my "disappointment" list.

Originally Posted by BvB916

valdez is unliky
that all

I agree there, but he really didn't show any signs of coming out of it either.......

[Gunning4Chelsea]

Originally Posted by BvB916

i want to see vanderfart in bvb or high quality player in middlefield, there are rumors that metze will leave the club so finding good defender such as anderlacht player vandern bor should start from now..

i am dissaopinted about pienar and also tinga, i dont think that these two players from the quailty of bvb players, the club need more effeciency players in middlfield.



frei did well till now
valdez is unliky
that all

I am a huge fan of van der vaart - i think he's an amazing footballer when healthy - last year HSV was virtually unbeatable with him in lineup -
although VdV is injury prone, i would welcome him and his 20 games/season with open arms - we havent had a goal-scoring MF in quite some time....(since Andy Moeller - maybe)

Pienaar and Buckley seem to be suffering from the same disease
btw - Buckley is on a express train for an exit from European football - he's been god awful for Basel

[BvB916]

[/QUOTE]Pienaar, I definitely agree with, but what the heck has been "disappointing" about Tinga??

Tinga has been one of the best players in this first round for us. I'd f#cking hate to see where we would be without him.[/QUOTE]

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i agree that tinga played better than pienaar andn some other players but what i was saying is ::: the quality of bvb players is less than it should>





[/QUOTE]Frei missed too many sitters. He should be pushing Klose and Pantelic for the league lead in goals. [/QUOTE]
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amoroso said once : i am scoring because rosicky playing.
so, there arent midillfield player who can provide the ball for frei as it should be. in my view , frei will be pushing kolse only when he have a middlefiled player same quality as diego.

[footyfan1]

Originally Posted by footyfan1

Pienaar, I definitely agree with, but what the heck has been "disappointing" about Tinga??

Tinga has been one of the best players in this first round for us. I'd f#cking hate to see where we would be without him.

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Originally Posted by BvB916

i agree that tinga played better than pienaar andn some other players but what i was saying is ::: the quality of bvb players is less than it should

And how do you figure that??

BVB doesn't have enough money to buy world-class players.

Tinga was one of the best at his position in the entire league.

Originally Posted by footyfan1

Frei missed too many sitters. He should be pushing Klose and Pantelic for the league lead in goals.

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Originally Posted by BvB916

amoroso said once : i am scoring because rosicky playing. so, there arent midillfield player who can provide the ball for frei as it should be. in my view , frei will be pushing kolse only when he have a middlefiled player same quality as diego.

Spoken like someone who hasn't really seen the team play.

Just because the team doesn't have a "midfield maestro" doesn't automatically mean that's the reason they are not scoring.

Sure, it's a factor, but both Frei and Valdez left too many chances laying on the pitch this first round of the season.

Chances cooler strikers would have put away.

Bayern doesn't have a Diego either, but they still find ways to score. Same with Schalke, Stuttgart and Hertha Berlin.

What they do have is strikers who know how to take advantage of the chances they do get.

I think that was a really bad assumption on your part man.

[BvB916]

Originally Posted by footyfan1

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And how do you figure that??

BVB doesn't have enough money to buy world-class players.

Tinga was one of the best at his position in the entire league.

if the club want to be in top 3, they should spent some money.
tinga the brazilian player is not what i am looking for in bvb, he is good at the moment , but i am looking for bright future.



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Originally Posted by footyfan1

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Spoken like someone who hasn't really seen the team play.

Just because the team doesn't have a "midfield maestro" doesn't automatically mean that's the reason they are not scoring.

Sure, it's a factor, but both Frei and Valdez left too many chances laying on the pitch this first round of the season.

Chances cooler strikers would have put away.

Bayern doesn't have a Diego either, but they still find ways to score. Same with Schalke, Stuttgart and Hertha Berlin.

What they do have is strikers who know how to take advantage of the chances they do get.

I think that was a really bad assumption on your part man.

frei is french league best scorer in 2004-05, and also valdez was one of the best bundesliga striker in the league with bremen,,
there are good strikers, i am sure you know the problem in middlefield and how you want from a striker to score without help from the middlefield, bvb dont has henry in the squad>
all strikers miss some easy scoring chances but how many scoring chances in bvb matches<< few.
bayern has got van bommel, basti and they have problem in middlefield. they looking forward to buy middlefield player in winterbreak.
shcalke have slomka who knows how to use the players in most useful way.(they have good players)
and i dont know too much about Stuttgart and Hertha Berlin. (sorry)

i hope, after kehl return back with new coach, bvb will be in top 6>


at the end,, thanks for this discusing

[footyfan1]

Originally Posted by BvB916

if the club want to be in top 3, they should spent some money.
tinga the brazilian player is not what i am looking for in bvb, he is good at the moment , but i am looking for bright future.

You going to give the club the money it needs to do that?

Because they made a damned good deal to get a player as good as Tinga for the money they paid.

Best deal of the summer.

The club cannot spend money it does not have.

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Originally Posted by BvB916

frei is french league best scorer in 2004-05

And that means what? Name a French goal scoring champion other that Drogba to do anything outside of France?

Even Cisse had to take his sorry, broken ass back to France.

I have patience with Frei. "KubiNull" told us he might need a season or so.

But right now, the truth is the truth and he misses too many damned sitters.

Originally Posted by BvB916

and also valdez was one of the best bundesliga striker in the league with bremen

Who told you that bullshit??

He was tied for 23rd place with the likes of the guy who took his place on Bremen's bench, Mohammed Zidan, another guy I think who is currently on Bielefeld's bench in Ahanfouf and Benjamin Auer. Two other guys down there with him were van der Vaart and Barbarez.

Valdez was seen as one of the top "jokers" in the league. Or, a guy who can come off the bench and score goals for you.

BVB just assumed that would translate into more goals with regular play.

That hasn't happened.

This is why, yes, I wanted Valdez, but I also said, BVB paid way too much for him.

Originally Posted by BvB916

there are good strikers, i am sure you know the problem in middlefield and how you want from a striker to score without help from the middlefield, bvb dont has henry in the squad>
all strikers miss some easy scoring chances but how many scoring chances in bvb matches<< few.

Dude, what the heck are you talking about???!!!

Have you seen BVB this season or are you making this up as you go along??

I watch EVERY MATCH!! Some more than once!

Yes, we need help in central midfield. We need help there badly. But for you to come on here and say that is why Frei and Valdez are not scoring is just plain wrong.

That is a contributing factor, yes, but Frei has left enough sitters on the pitch to be among the league leaders in scoring! And that is not saying he should have made all of them!

If he makes a third of them, he's up around ten goals. Valdez is even worse right now!

Sure, they could use a creative midfielder. But that is not their major problem.

Their major problem is that they don't even convert the chances they get. And they get a hell of a lot more than you seem to think!

There hasn't been one match this season that I've seen where I could sit and say, "Damn, the midfield just didn't give them anything."

MOST matches, I could say, "They need more from midfield, but they are squandering most chances they do get!"

When one of them is open in front of net, I don't even prepare to cheer anymore. My mind is thinking, "How will he blow it this time?"

Originally Posted by BvB916

bayern has got van bommel, basti and they have problem in middlefield. they looking forward to buy middlefield player in winterbreak.

Exactly. But they are still scoring goals because they have guys like Pizarro and Makaay who know how to finish!

Originally Posted by BvB916

shcalke have slomka who knows how to use the players in most useful way.(they have good players)

They have good strikers. Their best creative midfielder, Lincoln (Who BVB wants and is Dede's best friend), has been out of the lineup for much of the first half of the season and for all of this winning run they are on.

They are the best proof that you don't need a "Diego" to score. You can create chances from the wings if you have effective strikers who know what to do with the ball in front of goal and who don't shit their pants when they get the ball there.

Originally Posted by BvB916

and i dont know too much about Stuttgart and Hertha Berlin. (sorry)

Stuttgart doesn't have any "playmaker" to speak of. They have effective strikers in Mario Gomez and Cacau and use their wingers and Roberto Hilbert to push the attack.

Hertha Berlin's "playmaker" Yildray Basturk has been out for much of the first half of the season, yet their strikers still score.

If your logic is correct, they should not be scoring at all.

But that is what happens when you have strikers who take advantage of the opportunities they do get.

You still score goals and you still win matches.

BVB has strikers who do not take advantage of the opportunities they do get.

And we don't score goals and the only reason we are not fighting relegation is because of luck and our solid defense.

Originally Posted by BvB916

i hope, after kehl return back with new coach, bvb will be in top 6>

That's a lot of hoping. It's going to take more than Juergen Roeber (Going to be introduced as the new coach in about 25 minutes) and Sebastian Kehl.

Yes, we need much better play from the midfield, but even more, we need Frei and Valdez to start living up to their expectations.

Especially Valdez.

Originally Posted by BvB916

at the end,, thanks for this discusing

I hope I was not too harsh with my words, but some of your reasoning here, I believe to be badly flawed........

[BvB916]

hi

at the end i should say the truth
your words changed my mind about the bvb striker
they should work harder and scoooooore


thansk for this useful discussion