[Zuras]

By that, I mean a goal that was clearly not a goal (for whatever reason) but was counted as such anyway.

[Zuras]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrgwQ...%20football%20

1966 World Cup finals, Germany versus England. England gets into the finals under the dubious cloak of numerous questionable calls. The game goes back and forth, locking about at 2-2. Then Engalnd gets a shot off that hits the top bar, clearly not passing across the goal line. The Russian linesman cliams it's a goal, goal England 3-2.

The second goal comes after all the Germans go on the attack since the game was in it's last minute. And they end up in a position like they were after that first goal against Italy in WC 2006(only in this case there were hudreds of fans pouring onto the field while the game still was supposed to be going on). England's only WC victory won by the greatest goal never scored.

[Twenty26Six]

Originally Posted by Zuras

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrgwQ...%20football%20

1950 World Cup finals, Germany versus England. England gets into the finals under the dubious cloak of numerous questionable calls. The game goes back and forth, locking about at 2-2. Then Engalnd gets a shot off that hits the top bar, clearly not passing across the goal line. The Russian linesman cliams it's a goal, goal England 3-2.

The second goal comes after all the Germans go on the attack since the game was in it's last minute. And they end up in a position like they were after that first goal against Italy in WC 2006. England's only WC victory won by the greatest goal never scored.

1966 WC Finals.

[Zuras]

Originally Posted by Twenty26Six

1966 WC Finals.

LOL. Good call. What happend in 1950??? Er. Oh, I know why i switched them around.

[smithfan]

1966.

Thanks to the russian linesman.

[RichardL]

Originally Posted by Zuras

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrgwQ...%20football%20

1966 World Cup finals, Germany versus England. England gets into the finals under the dubious cloak of numerous questionable calls. The game goes back and forth, locking about at 2-2. Then Engalnd gets a shot off that hits the top bar, clearly not passing across the goal line. The Russian linesman cliams it's a goal, goal England 3-2.

The second goal comes after all the Germans go on the attack since the game was in it's last minute. And they end up in a position like they were after that first goal against Italy in WC 2006(only in this case there were hudreds of fans pouring onto the field while the game still was supposed to be going on). England's only WC victory won by the greatest goal never scored.

Germany's second should have been disallowed for offside, so three goals should have been wiped out.

I don't think anyone would claim the third goal crossed the line now, but sadly the referee and linesman didn't have the benefit of 40 years of frame by frame video analysis to fall back on. Yeah, the linesman was surely biased in his decision to give it, but it still took him a long time to make the decision, only after being asked by the ref. People seem to make out it was nowhere near and he decided to give it anyway, to the utter surprise of everyone in the stadium.


And there were not hundreds of people on the pitch. I think it was 3 people, on the far edge, not in the ref's line of vision. A slight difference.

Some people are just obsessed with conspiracy theories. We've been on the end of a good few dubious calls and you don't hear us going on about FIFA rigging the world cup, or refs being bought if it happens. Refs just aren't that good, and linesmen are officials who aren't good enough to refs. Get a grip and get over it.

[Zuras]

Originally Posted by RichardL

Germany's second should have been disallowed for offside, so three goals should have been wiped out.

LOL. I just posted the video. Your offisedes nonsense is just that, nonsense. Go watch it. There is a redshirt humping the ball the entire time.

Originally Posted by RichardL

I don't think anyone would claim the third goal crossed the line now, but sadly the referee and linesman didn't have the benefit of 40 years of frame by frame video analysis to fall back on.

You don't need it. Anyone that's been around football awhile knows that a ball will not bounce like that if it was in, only if it was out. when it goes in, it reflects in, when it's out it goes straight down or reflects out.

Originally Posted by RichardL

And there were not hundreds of people on the pitch. I think it was 3 people, on the far edge, not in the ref's line of vision. A slight difference.

Just because you only see three does not mean there were only three.

[RichardL]

Originally Posted by Zuras

LOL. I just posted the video. Your offisedes nonsense is just that, nonsense. Go watch it. There is a redshirt humping the ball the entire time.

I've no idea how that negates the offside. There was a German player in advanced position out wide. These days it wouldn't be offside, but back then, it should have been.

You don't need it. Anyone that's been around football awhile knows that a ball will not bounce like that if it was in, only if it was out. when it goes in, it reflects in, when it's out it goes straight down or reflects out.

do you know what backspin is?

there's a very famous goal here, the reverse of that decision, from an FA Cup semi-final from the min 1990s. Chesterfield of the lower divisions were leading Middlesbrough 2-0 in the second half and had a shot come down off the crossbar and bounce out. Had it be given, as it should have been, Chesterfield would surely have made the FA Cup final. As it was Boro pulled back to 2-2 and won the replay. That ball was half a yard over the line and still bounced out. Hell, what about Zidane's chipped penalty in the world Cup final? Are you going to tell me that can't have been a goal either?

Just because you only see three does not mean there were only three.

Oh, right, so you've seen absolutely nothing to back up your claim, but you stick with, but the photographs that show the three people who ran on clearly don't tell the whole story?


Are you just making this up as you go along in you quest to show that you are a real German, rather than american looking for an identity?

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Are you seriously trying to debate '66 Richard? I don't think you want to open that particular can of worms. The most corrupt WC in history.

[Stud83]

Wasn't there a study done in the mid 90s that officially proved the ball didn't cross the line? 30 years after the fact. That says a lot. The first time you see the shot it's almost impossible to tell whether the goal was scored or not. The ball was literally 3 inches from fully crossing the line - can't really blame assistant for that.