SSV News Update Sunday April 9, 2006

Discussion in 'San Jose Earthquakes' started by yalpstel, Apr 9, 2006.

  1. yalpstel

    yalpstel Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    Bay Area, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds good! :)

    I feel kinda bad by planning to go to these meetings and then not being able to attend (I am a letter writer though!). I wonder if recinding the call to attend the future meetings means Mission Accomplished?
     
  2. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    SSV president Don Gagliardi, Oakland A's owner Lew Wolff, and A's president Michael Crowley.


    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  3. bigdumbgod

    bigdumbgod Member+

    Jun 25, 2005
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "An essential part of the equation, as it has always been, is obtaining traction on a new stadium" certainly doesn't sound like Mission Accomplished, unless you're very down with the current Executive Administration's take on that term.:cool:
     
  4. leocal11

    leocal11 Member+

    Feb 7, 2005
    San Francisco
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this is good news, thanks SSV, keeping my hope alive.
     
  5. Tony in Quakeland

    Jan 27, 2003
    Pleasant Hill, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The mission won't be accomplished until the Quakes rise from the grave and kick the crap out of the Galaxy. In the playoffs.
     
  6. yalpstel

    yalpstel Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    Bay Area, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I meant mission accomplished as far as what SSV hoped to bring to these meetings.

    I think the answer to my question is within the update itself...."Thanks to your help our message of inclusiveness for soccer in the DEIR has been received loud and clear."

    This update gave me a good feeling. I like it. :p
     
  7. bigdumbgod

    bigdumbgod Member+

    Jun 25, 2005
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :eek:
     
  8. yalpstel

    yalpstel Member

    Oct 12, 2000
    Bay Area, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought this was funny....right now on KRON is a program titled: EARTHQUAKES: Where The Fault Lies.

    We all know what this is about, but I peeked at the show just in case. :p

    Okay back to SSV update.......
     
  9. Beckham7

    Beckham7 Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Northern, California
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's how my face looked when i read that.
     
  10. bigdumbgod

    bigdumbgod Member+

    Jun 25, 2005
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Fault is in the Lies
     
  11. Tony in Quakeland

    Jan 27, 2003
    Pleasant Hill, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh god. What a typo! Editing now!
     
  12. Beckham7

    Beckham7 Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Northern, California
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nice recovery.
     
  13. bigdumbgod

    bigdumbgod Member+

    Jun 25, 2005
    San Jose, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No way! The original was pretty cool, in that "What the hell...?" sorta way.:p
     
  14. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Very promising news about Lew Wolff. I'm most encouraged to hear that he's open to considering stadium locations in Santa Clara, Fremont, San Jose south campus, as well as San Jose downtown.
     
  15. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I kind of wonder at the renewed interest of San Jose State. Cindy Chavez made some mention of Kassing at the mayoral forum the other night. Maybe they are coming to their senses and realize that a partnership with a professional soccer team is their best chance to get Spartan renovated.
     
  16. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah, and I think there are multiple scenarios possible there, including building a whole new stadium to replace Spartan, renovate Spartan, etc. My guess is that the Wolffman would want to rebuild the stadium, and build stuff around the stadium also - housing, more sports stuff, etc. And according to this article from last year,

    http://www.sjdowntown.com/pdf/april 05.pdf

    university and city officials would like to turn the south campus area into a "sports and recreation complex for professional, collegiate and amateur athletics, students and residents". Sounds a bit like HDC, doesn't it?
     
  17. leocal11

    leocal11 Member+

    Feb 7, 2005
    San Francisco
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is the only acceptable course of action if the SJSU South Campus option is chosen. :)

    I mean seriously... if one-year-old Real Salt Lake and not-yet-born Inter Toronto F.C. (or whatever they'll be called) are each soon getting a state-of-the-art MLS SSS, then any serious suggestion of renovating* Spartan Stadium as a permanent stadium solution for the new San Jose Earthquakes is ridiculous at best and insulting at worst.

    Also, wouldn't this option prevent the need for a public vote? :confused:

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G



    * Meaning anything less than tearing the whole thing down and building a new SSS on top of it, near it or across the street from it.
     
  19. marinelayer

    marinelayer New Member

    Nov 30, 2005
    It'll probably require a vote. Any venue that seats 5,000 or more and requires some public funds will necessitate it, though it's possible that if the construction were entirely privately funded a vote may not be required.

    One good thing about it is that there's still a nice halo effect around the library as a great example of the City and SJSU partnering on a project.

    The Merc also reported over the weekend that two of the DiNapoli clan are part owners of the A's. So if you're looking for a lot of local ownership, there you have it. It doesn't get much more local than the Wolff-DiNapoli machine.

    The one thing that would be in question for me is some of the land south of Spartan Stadium. I wouldn't be surprised if developers went after that land, using Redevelopment to get it. The problem with the land is that it's an old Superfund site that has never been cleaned up, IIRC. The toxins have simply been sealed over by asphalt. Someone will have to pay for that, and it's private land, not university land. The parking lot next to HP Pavilion is in the same condition.
     
  20. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm pretty sure that would be the case.

    If the South Campus SSS ended up being entirely privately funded (to avoid the public vote and any other delays) in return for other incentives such as low-priced or free land and/or other surrounding upgrades, would those incentives come from San Jose State University or from the City of San Jose? :confused:

    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  21. marinelayer

    marinelayer New Member

    Nov 30, 2005
    The land ownership thing is where it gets sticky. SJSU/CSU isn't going to give a private party a piece of the campus in exchange for some recreational facilities and a stadium. But SJSU has some very outmoded stuff in Spartan Village: the track, apartments, baseball/softball fields. There's a lot of space to make it work. The developer could get some land adjacent to the sites to build retail/residential to finance the project. I can even see a way to have most of a new stadium go up alongside the existing Spartan Stadium, then have Spartan demolished when most of the new stadium is done. That way there's no net land loss and both the Quakes and Spartans have venues to use in the interim.

    IIRC the only city-owned land nearby is Muni and the Corp Yard on Senter. Anything else will have to be purchased or subsidized.

    There could also be complaints from preservationists because both Spartan and Muni are over 60 years old.
     
  22. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I was Lew Wolff and/or anyone else who's considering becoming the new San Jose Earthquakes' investor/operator, I would give that option some serious consideration ASAP!

    It would eliminate the need for a public vote (IMO, the biggest key to all this) and get the ball rolling earlier. While the stadium would be entirely privately financed, a large chunk of that would be offset by stadium naming rights while the rest would sooner (rather than later) be offset by a much larger percentage of stadium revenues going straight to the Quakes' coffers.


    Spartacus earlier had brought up the potential problem of SJSU alumni complaining that the Quakes would control jointly-paid-for South Campus SSS rather than SJSU... but would that still be a problem if it was only the Quakes (i.e. Wolff) paying for it? :confused:


    GO SAN JOSE EARTHQUAKES!!! :cool:


    -G
     
  23. marinelayer

    marinelayer New Member

    Nov 30, 2005
    That's looking at it from an optimistic and Quakes-slanted viewpoint. No problem with that, it's just a matter of perspective. SJSU would be giving up control of its only outdoor venue and revenue streams from it, for what? Sure they could use a refresh to get people to watch the football team again, but there probably should be more for them than that. They are after all providing the land. If it's going to happen in this fashion, there would have to be shared control by SJSU, the City, and the Quakes. There are logistical questions that would have to be answered.

    Say it's an $80 million stadium. The annual payment on it if no one puts any money down is $6.5 million. If naming rights shaves that down to $5 million:

    1. How is the rest paid off? What share is the Quakes? What is SJSU's? The city's?
    2. Who's responsible to pay the lease?
    3. How are non-gate revenues split?
    4. Who owns the stadium during the lease? At the end of the lease?
    5. How can the dealmakers make the deal palatable to SJSU alumni?

    Should a "soccer village" concept take flight with 400-500 housing units, a bunch of the stadium could be paid off using the profits-towards-stadium model. Where would the housing be located? Would it also be on South Campus? Next to it?

    I think that if that $5 million per year were cut down to $2 million and the split were $1 Mil - Quakes / $800K - Spartans / $200K - City it'd be pretty equitable. Getting that difference - $3 million - together is the hard part.
     
  24. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    If the city can subsidize the Opera House to the tune of a quarter million a year so the rich folks from Los Gatos can enjoy hearing the fat lady sing, than it can subsidize a soccer stadium to the same amount so the poor kids from east San Jose can hear the Casbah sing.
     
  25. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If a new stadium were put up on the SJSU South Campus somewhere, the City's only role would be street maintenance. The property belongs to SJSU.

    As for whether or not SJSU would be willing to let Wolfe run the stadium, he has only to look to Cal State Dominguez Hills for his model.

    Assume that between them SJSU and Wolfe rebuild the student housing on South Campus, put up a couple of parking structures, refurbish the athletic fields and facilities, and demolish and rebuild Spartan Stadium. SJSU has to use another facility for a year, or they would arrange the football schedule so that they finish their last home game in October, then have November to August to rip down and rebuild Spartan.

    Yeah, SJSU might go for that a let Wolfe run the stadium. They'd have a new stadium, they could get revenue from at least their own football and soccer matches, but let Wolfe get the revenue from everything else. And what are the alum going to say?! We don't want a new stadium?! Please. Kassing can tell them what's what and make them like it.

    But my first choice is a new stadium on land that does not belong to SJSU. They chased the Quakes away, now they can suffer the consequences. Bastards!

    QUAKES FOREVER!!
    GO SSV!!
    Come On Lew!!!
    fumls!
    fuaeg!

    - Mark
     

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