[Hal]

Thought we should have a separate thread just for the Very Small Rocks Transfer Window Draft.

From the previous thread, I'll import:

1. The Draft Order
2. The Draft Rules

I have also made some consolidated lists on the comings and goings and will post that here. It is my best effort at merging information from BBC.com and Soccernet.UK, as of the morning of 1/30. I will have a post for:

1. Transfers OUT of the Premiership
2. Transfers Within the Premiership (for info only as these players are already available to be chosen.)
3. Transfers INTO the Premiership
4. Late Pending Transfer Rumors

As to WHEN? We need to do this Friday evening so as to be able to use the new draftees for this week's games. I'm thinking 6 or 7 PM EST. This may be early for West Coast managers, who may still be at work. Any later and we force our European managers to stay up till the wee hours. I don't expect it will take over an hour. My first choice is 6 PM EST and second choice 7 PM EST.

Where? I'll open up a BigSoccer chat room entitled Very Small Rocks TW Draft. If we need a password, I'll use verysmallrocks without spaces.

If you are unable to participate in this draft personally, please send me or another manager your limited power of attorney and your wish list so I or someone else can make your selection(s) for you.

You can send me a BigSoccer PM to Hal or email me at haljudijones@earthlink.net

[Hal]

The draft order, per discussions on the other thread will go from Worst to First with FOMUS adjusted 212 points for his restart. As the draft was delayed, I used the latest total scores which included the games on 1/29. I ignored any adjustments for number of transfers.

1. Trollpop Aviation Hal Trollpop 634
2. Jones Cracked Wheat J. Jones 732
3. FOMUS Brian Schoenfelder 543+212=755
4. Cape Tribulation Terry Venables 772
5. 1800-UK.com Glenn Hoddle 804
6. London St. Germain Jimballs Stoobeyboobey 811
7. Chelsea in PA paul hughes 819
8. Kopite Juniors Chloe Adams 995

[Hal]

1. The draft order will be worst to first for round one and then reversed each round until everyone passes.

2. Any team that has had any of its players Transferred OUT of the Premiership, will be given pre-draft opportunity to select a player. I will review my consolidated Transfers OUT of the Premiership List to see if any teams get additional picks. The additional picks would be for a player held by a team before the transfer window opened, not someone they acquired subsequently in order to get an extra pick. I'll post Pre-Draft picks, if there are any, and their order as I determine them.

As of 1/30, it appears we have NO pre-draft selections due to Transfers OUT.

3. Once a person has drafted a player, he must immediately acquire the player and post what moves he made to acquire the player. This way, the other teams may opt to grab someone's cast offs.

4. The player's released to acquire a new draftee immediately go back into the draft pool and are available for selection in addtion to NEW Transfers INTO the Premiership.

5. Let's allow 5 min. for the draft pick and another 5 min. after the draft for managers to acquire the player and maybe make any trades before they have to release a player.

6. With a known draft order, players may trade to acquire a better draft position prior to the draft.

[Hal]

Departures from the Premiership

1 January, 2003
Ben Williams [Man Utd - Chesterfield] Loan

3 January, 2003
Wayne Quinn [Newcastle U - Sheff Utd] Loan
Stathis Tavlaridis [Arsenal - Portsmouth] Loan

6 January, 2003
Tyrone Loran [Man City - Tranmere Rvs] Loan

9 January, 2003
Olivier Dacourt [Leeds U - AS Roma] Loan

10 January, 2003
Michael Boulding [Aston Villa - Grimsby T] Loan
Frazer Richardson [Leeds U - Stoke] Loan
Elena Marcelino [Newcastle – Free]
Kleber Chala [Southhampton – Free]

12 January, 2003
Gregory Vignal [Liverpool - Bastia] Loan

13 January, 2003
Laurent Charvet [Man C - Sochaux] Free

14 January, 2003
Laurent Courtois [West Ham - FC Istres] Free

15 January, 2003
Bryan Hughes [Birm'gham - Leicester] Loan
Aaron Labonte [Newcastle U - Livingston] Loan
Darryl Powell [Birmingham - Sheff Wed] Free
Tommy Smith [Newcastle U - Livingston] Loan
Dean Windass [Middlesbro - Sheff U] £100k
Clint Davis [Birmingham – Tamworth] Loan

16 January, 2003
Darren Dunning [Blackburn - Macclesfld] Loan
Craig Fagan [Birmingham - Bristol City] Loan

17 January, 2003
Luke Cornwall [Fulham - Lincoln C] Loan
Thomas Mooney [Birminghamn - Sheff U] Loan
Ben Roberts [Charlton - Brighton] Loan
Dene Shields [Sunderland - Raith R]
Bernard Diomede [Liverpool – AJ Ajaccio] Loan

20 January
Rhys Day [Man City - Mansfield T] Free
Danny Milosevic [Leeds U - Crewe A] Loan
Steven Sidwell [Arsenal - Reading] Undisc

21 January
Alan Mahon [Blackburn - Cardiff C] Loan
Mark Bosnich [Chelsea – Free]

23 January, 2003
Titi Camara [West Ham - Al Ittihad] Loan
Imants Bleidelis [Southhampton – Free]

24 January, 2003
Michael Ingham [Sunderland - York C] Loan
Abel Xavier [Liverpool - Galatasaray] Loan

28 January, 2003
Sergei Rebrov [ Tottenham – Fenerbahce] Loan
Tim Sherwood [Tottenham – Portsmouth] Loan
Diego Gavilan [Newcastle – Sporting Internacional] Loan
Joe-Max Moore [Everton – New England Revolution]

29 January, 2003
Grant McCann [West Ham United – Cheltenham Town] 50K

30 January, 2003
Michael Forsell, Striker, [Chelsea - Borussia Moenchengladbach] Loan
Brian Murphy [Manchester City – Oldham] Loan

[Hal]

Transfers Within the Premiership:

8 January, 2003
Lee Bowyer [Leeds U - West Ham] Undisc

10 January, 2003
Stephen Clemence [Spurs - Birm'gham] £900k

17 January, 2003
Jamie O’Hara [Arsenal – Tottenham] Undisclosed

21 January
Les Ferdinand [Tottenham - West Ham] Free

22 January, 2003
Matthew Upson [Arsenal - Birm'ghm] £3m
Taher El Khalej [Southhampton – Free] [Free – Charlton Athletic]

30 January, 2003

Robbie Fowler [Leeds – Manchester City] £6m

[Hal]

Transfers Into the Premiership

Pre-January 1 transfers that took effect Jan 1.
Ferdinand Coly [Lens – Birm’ghm] Loan Senegalese World Cup Defender
Mika Aaritalo [TPS Turku – Aston Villa]

2 January, 2003
Christophe Dugarry [Bordeaux - Birm'ghm] Loan French WC Striker
Brian McBride [Columbus Crew - Everton] Loan USA WC Striker
Ibrahim Said [Al Ahly - Everton] Loan Egyptian Defender

3 January, 2003
Djamel Belmadi [Bordeaux - Man City] Loan Algerian Midfielder

8 January, 2003
Frederico Arias [Velez Sarsfld - Soton] Undisc Argentinian Winger

10 January, 2003
Jamie Clapham [Ipswich - Birm'ghm] £1.3m Wingback
Mart Poom [Derby Co - Sunderland] £2.5m Goalkeeper

15 January, 2003
Iain Turner [Stirling Albion – Everton] Tribunal
Ifeanyi Udeze [PAOK Salonika – West Brom Albion] Loan

16 January, 2003
John Eustace [Coventry - Middlesbro] Loan Midfielder

21 January
Piotr Swierczewski [Marseille - Birm'ghm] Loan Polish Midfielder

24 January, 2003
David Sommeil Bordeaux - Manchester C] £3.5m French Defender

27 January, 2003
Joey Gudjonsson [Real Betis - A Villa] Loan Icelandic Midfielder
Kazuyuki Toda [Shimizu S-Pulse – Tottenham] Loan

28 January, 2003
Taher El Khalej [Free – Charlton Athletic] Free

30 January, 2003
Salva Ballesta [Valencia – Bolton] Loan (Subject to passing medical)

[Hal]

Additional Transfer Rumors

Malcolm Christie, Striker, from Derby to Middlesbrough

Chris Riggott, Defender, from Derby to Middlesbrough

Ozalan Alpay, Defender, from Aston Villa to anywhere

Vratislav Gresko, Defender, from Parma to Blackburn

Stanislav Varga, Defender, release from Sunderland

Colin Healy, Defender, from Celtic to Leeds

Jonathan Woodgate, Defender, from Leeds to Newcastle

Pierre van Hooijdonk, Striker, from Feynoord to Manchester City

[kopiteinkc]

Trade rumours that Kopite Juniors were willing to give up Thierry Henry for Hal's first round pick (McBride) were proved to be unfounded this morning.

After the 7 year old coach was slapped around by her Dad, the imminent trade was called off. She has been told to stay in her first grade classroom until the draft is over

After attending the MLS SuperDraft in KC a week or two ago, our draft is much cooler.

[DoctorJones24]

I raised this point on the other thread, but figure it's better shifted to here:

"I see a potential problem: Will CYKI have all the new signees registered by the time the window closes at 1am? I doubt it.

I guess we have to decide whether it is "fair" to hold a draft when many of the players might not be available for an extra week. One possibility is that we could just advise managers to factor that into their thinking.

However, that manager would still for forced to make "some" kind of move for the player in order to make the dropped player available down the line. So it gets kind of complicated..."

Any suggestions on how we handle this? Say if I take Ballesta at #2, but CYKI doesn't get him registered in time for this week. Would I have to drop a striker anyway, so that the #3 person could have a shot at him--as he was expecting?

[Hal]

Good question, Jay.

1. If the drafted player is not in the premiershipsoccer.com pool of players yet, you will not know for sure either his position or his price. Therefore, you will not be able to make an intelligent decision on whom to drop.

Solution: Let the draft proceed. Once the player is added to the pool, you'll make an announcement in the Very Small Rocks forum at premiershipsoccer.com of the player you drop and it will be a free-for-all like it is for any other acquisition.

2. Since you cannot acquire such a player before the deadline for Saturday's games, you should not have to give up a player. Yes, this will depress the draft pool additions of dropped players. Hopefully, there are not too many instances of this.