A Reaility Check on Iraq

Coach_McGuirk · 02 Dec 2005, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sine Pari

Coach if you can get that past the REMFS and over to me, I'd give up being a MAN U fan

I'll stuff a bottle of Knob Creek inside a bad of dog food. maybe it'll make it through...

yossarian · 02 Dec 2005, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach_McGuirk

I'll stuff a bottle of Knob Creek inside a bad of dog food. maybe it'll make it through...

Woodford Reserve is better.

Coach_McGuirk · 02 Dec 2005, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by yossarian

Woodford Reserve is better.

A pox on your house for such blasphemy!!!

Not to threadjack, but does anyone know of a really good Irish whiskey? I always like to have one up with a Guinness, but outside of Jameson's (which every bar has) I really don't know much about them. Any good premium brands out there I need to taste?

MikeLastort2 · 02 Dec 2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by yossarian

Woodford Reserve is better.

My second favorite bourbon.

My favorite is Pappy Van Winkle's Family Reserve (20 years old). Unfortunately, it'll cost you somewhere in the neighborhood of $80-100/bottle. But MAN is that good bourbon.

MattR · 02 Dec 2005, 09:44 AM

I'm a 30-something white anglo-saxon male working in Northern Virginia as a contractor. My wife is a young attractive elementary-school teacher.

I would have to say that I find Revolt offering the most realistic account of this war.

There are no WMDs, there are no connections between Saddam and Al-Quada that aren't embarrasingly stupid, like hospitals and going to Ali's House of Kabobs together one afternoon.

The plan for the war basically included "kill military people until they take off their uniforms," then "let everyone riot for a few weeks." This post-war planning still has been non-existanct and/or poorly executed.

Daily, we hear about suicide bombings and explosions around the middle east in hotels, on roadsides, police stations. We hear about armed gangs killing people from other ethnic and religious groups, under the watchful protection of US Forces. We hear about systematic torture, and hear that it was an isolated incident from the same adminstration that is legally protecting such torture. We hear about how the decent into civil war is beginning, and that the current "stay the course" plan isn't much of a plan, and that everyone will be coming home in 2006 and that the war will alst 15 more years.

Whenever someone like Revolt collects all this information and presents it, all I hear is that we're "doing a lot of good" and that "progress is being made," and "what about all the schools Halliburton is building?"

THIS IS STUPID. My wife has 32 kids in her class, even though NCLB dictates no more than 20. The school can't afford to expand, or to buy books for all the kids, or get more teachers. I think I, like most Americans, ask, "Couldn't we have used that billion dollars to build some schools in the UNITED STATES? " You know, for the people that are PAYING for all this? Or, my favorite thing, helicopters dropping soccer balls. "Muhammad was going to be a terrorist suicide-bomber, but we've won over his heart and mind with a new Old Navy soccer-ball!" That's sound foreign policy.

PROGRESS in Iraq is being measured by the number of hours that go by without something getting blown up. Look! It's been 6 patrols since someone's been maimed! It's getting better!

Look, Iraq *probably* isn't as bad as the picture Revolt paints with his newsclips. However, this is a far more accurate picture than the other point of view, which increasingly consists of nothing more than a "nu-uh."

I don't think we can ever, in 1, 5, 10, 20, or 50 years create and Iraqi society that will not break down into some sort of civil war OR be completely dominated by an Iranian-backed government OR another Saddam-esque strongman. I think a lot in the government and military agree with me. However, none of these people are listened to by the neo-con cabal.

Lets leave soon.

nowayjose · 02 Dec 2005, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeLastort2

My second favorite bourbon.

My favorite is Pappy Van Winkle's Family Reserve (20 years old). Unfortunately, it'll cost you somewhere in the neighborhood of $80-100/bottle. But MAN is that good bourbon.

Cough medicine tastes better than bourbon. Cheaper too.

MikeLastort2 · 02 Dec 2005, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach_McGuirk

A pox on your house for such blasphemy!!!

Not to threadjack, but does anyone know of a really good Irish whiskey? I always like to have one up with a Guinness, but outside of Jameson's (which every bar has) I really don't know much about them. Any good premium brands out there I need to taste?

Bushmills, Tullamore Dew and Powers.