[lefutur]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/sto...608024,00.html

There has been a week of violence in the suburbs of Paris that seems to have been set off by the accidental deaths of 2 African immigrant youths who were electrocuted after hiding in a dangerous area believing that they were being chased by the French police.

France is no different than other industrialized countries that struggle with complex immigration issues and discrimination amoung its poorer and minority citizens. I hope the government will take this opportunity to address the issue of poverty in the parisian 'ghettos' and take action in a positive manner.

Many french footballers, like Theirry Henry, are from the Parisian 'banlieu' and should speak up about this.

[gaijin]

The minister of social cohesion, Jean-Louis Borloo, said the government had to react "firmly" but added that France must also acknowledge its failure to deal with anger simmering in poor suburbs for decades.

"We cannot hide the truth: that for 30 years we have not done enough," he told France-2 television.

Its a shame they did not learn anything from the early 90's...

[Nanbawan]

Originally Posted by ganu

Its a shame they did not learn anything from the early 90's...

And this is why the media seem stunned yet those bursts are quite predictable, even if sparks are also fueled by petty criminals. Everybody "responsible" in this country is still managing the society in short-term perspective, the ghettoisation of suburbs is not not exactly part of a plan, but rather the absolute lack of it.

[gaijin]

Originally Posted by Nanbawan

And this is why the media seem stunned yet those bursts are quite predictable, even if sparks are also fueled by petty criminals. Everybody "responsible" in this country is still managing the society in short-term perspective, the ghettoisation of suburbs is not not exactly part of a plan, but rather the absolute lack of it.

Of course it is, it was only a few years ago that there was a Mosque firebombed in Clichy-sous-Bois. And there has been numerous incidents since, that get a little bit of writing in the daily newspapers in Paris.

These problems are the result of decades and decades of neglect by the government, who seem happy to either sweep everything under the carpet and hope it dies down or pacify the situation by throwing money and/or the right wing police at it.

Obiviously its going to take years to eradicate the years and years of trouble and social and moral decline in those areas. It was only a matter of time, before the fuse was lit in the powder keg of that area. And at the minute, a spark is very easy to generate.

[lefutur]

Anybody who hasnt seen the french film "La Haine" I highly recommend it. Its very relevant to this topic and a great flick to boot!

[Papa Bouba Diop]

Banlieue 13 also le futur.

[NachoNation]

This thread could be applicable in many places. Many of the posts I've read, sound like something straight out of the United States. It is newer to Europe, but it looks like it's the same everywhere.

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by lefutur

Anybody who hasnt seen the french film "La Haine" I highly recommend it. Its very relevant to this topic and a great flick to boot!

Yeah that is a good movie.

[ilv2]

oh boy, studying there next semester doesn't seem so swell anymore.

[truillo]

Originally Posted by Nanbawan

And this is why the media seem stunned yet those bursts are quite predictable, even if sparks are also fueled by petty criminals. Everybody "responsible" in this country is still managing the society in short-term perspective, the ghettoisation of suburbs is not not exactly part of a plan, but rather the absolute lack of it.

Get a job, no matter how menial it is. Educate your kids. Personal responsibility. What's so hard about that? My parents spoke no English when they came over to US. Worked in the bike factory for twenty years to educate us kids. There are many who worked hard and got out of the ghetto like we did. Those people never depended on the government for a hand out. Those who are still in the ghetto wait by the mailbox eveyday for their checks. They will never get out because they are trapped by these "generous" handouts.