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Old 17 Dec 2002, 09:56 AM   #1
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Default GRAND THEFT. Fifa takes S. America spot

What a rip off. Out of all places to take a spot from the WC, Fifa decides to take it from THE MOST DOMINANT continent in the World, South America. SA has won 9 of 17 World Cups, has won more than 50% of Intercontinental club championships and usually only lose because the SAmerican teams are playing Euro teams using South American stars.

So what has been done is essentially hand a spot to Australia and eliminate a Uruguay, Paraguay, Colombia, Chile or even possibly a Brazil or Argentina.

FURTHER insult is that now Concacaf can get a 4th spot in a match against ASIA. Concacaf which has never been CLOSE to s WC final can get 4 spots while South America with 9 World Cups has 4. Asia has 4 spots just like SA!! Africa 5!!

SICKENING!

Joke...joke... joke. No matter what spin you put on it this is NOT right. South America is where the greatest talent comes from and shouldnt be punished because of politics.

Lets see whats wrong with this picture:

Europe 14 spots (8 WC Champs)
Africa 5 (0 WC Champs)
Asia 4 or 5 (0 WC Champs)
SA 4 (9 WC Champs)
NA/CA 3 or 4 (0 WC Champs)
Oce 1 (0 WC Champs)

COMEBOL should strike at the next World Cup . It would basicly become a Euro 2006.

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Old 17 Dec 2002, 10:07 AM   #2
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Man...I agree with you 1000%

What is really scary too is that Oceania will get ONE full spot...I would not even consider them in the qualifying....

That means that Australia will be in the world cup every time....they defeat teams by scores of 31-0 for god's sake....

I know why this happened....

I would actually bet a lot of money in that Australia will be in GERMANY's group once the "drawing" of the groups is done for germany 2006
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Old 17 Dec 2002, 10:29 AM   #3
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I'm sad to see South America lose a spot too. Africa should have lost one for sure, but it's all a part of making the game more global. Quality of the actual tournament is secondary.

In defence of FIFA's decision, it's been a long while since South American teams other than Argentina and Brazil have set the tournament a light.
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Old 17 Dec 2002, 10:30 AM   #4
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I'll agree that SA got screwed to benefit Austrailia, but those 9 titles have all been the work of two nations (I would discount the 2 by Uruguay because of the low participation rates). After Brazil and Argentina the remaining SA nations aren't that much better than what the rest of the world can do.

What I would have liked was for FIFA to take the 4th place team from CONCACAF, 5th place team from Asia, 5th place team from CONMEBOL, and 1st place team from Oceania and bring those four team to neutral fields in the host nation and have them play a single group tournament with the top 2 teams getting the last 2 qualifying spots.
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Old 17 Dec 2002, 10:51 AM   #5
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Agreed on the quality of Southamerica after Brazil and Argentina...

The thing that I'm complaining about is that Oceania got one...when any "fifth" ranked team in Southamerica can beat them...

I like the idea that the last post gave...

5th in SA
4th in Concacaf
African team
Asian team
and Australia (oceania) should compete for a couple of spots

The world cup is ALREADY global....EVERY TEAM (most nations) in the world try to qualify....

THAT MAKES IT GLOBAL....the final tournament is just a celebration...a party....only the best should go....NOT Australia every time.
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Old 17 Dec 2002, 10:59 AM   #6
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They took away a spot from the UEFA as well, so I don't know why you bring the Intercontinental Cup into this

I don't like the fact they took away a spot from us, but I think it's more than fair to give the other Confeds some more spots. I'd rather have this than they make the Cup even bigger with more teams just so they can give them more spots without having to take away some from the UEFA and CONMEBOL (Aren't half the teams from over there still able to qualify anyway with these new allocations?)

The only real problem I have is that Asia gets 4 - 5 tickets, when 2 or 3 (4 max) would have been sufficient for now. If they get that many spots, they should have put the Oceania teams in their qualifiers in my opinion.

Maybe, as well, they should have made the teams that get the play-off spot from CONCACAF and Asia play for the World Club tickets against a South American and European team, so they can prove they deserve those spots that were taken?

I don't really have any big problems with these new allocations though.
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Old 17 Dec 2002, 11:15 AM   #7
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Actually, they only took a half-spot away from South America. I do agree that it should have come from Africa instead though.

Glad to see CONCACAF get a playoff spot. That's about what they deserve. Another World Cup or two of success like this past one and we can make the push for expanding that to a full spot.

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Futhernore this is a DIRECT spot to Australia (lets not kid ourselves). Australia had 3 chances in a row to prove they belong but :

"After easily winning the Oceania qualifying, Australia fell at the final hurdle in the last three campaigns -- losing to South America's fifth team Argentina for the 1994 tournament, Asia's fourth-ranked nation Iran for 1998 and Uruguay in 2002. "

They might be king in POceania beating team 31-0 but outside of Oceania they couldnt even handle Iran.

If this new ruling was implemented back in 94 we wouldnt have had Argentina in the US WC, the Iran x US matchup in 98 and on of the best goals of WC 2002 by Uruguay. What exactly does Australia have to offer soccerwise other than being just a number 4 team in a group without having much of a chance to advance.

People can badmouth Uruguay all they want , but Uruguay has tradition and great talent. They can play with the best and make it deep in any World Cup.
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Oceania's vote helped Germany/UEFA to win the rights to host the WC Finals. They probably appeased the Africans for losing the 2006 WC.

Oceania should play against Asia for 1 spot.

CONCAFAF should play South America for the other spot.

Europe 14 (14.5)
Souith American 4.5 (4.5)
Asia 4.5(4.5)
Oceania 0.5(0.5)
Concacaf 3.5(3)
Africa 5 (5)

In this way, only Europe loses half a spot from 2002. Everyone should be happy.
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>>Glad to see CONCACAF get a playoff spot. That's about what they deserve. Another World Cup or two of success like this past one and we can make the push for expanding that to a full spot.
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Im glad too because it makes the US job easier but, do they really deserve to gain while SA lose? Look lets be honest, the US finished 8th and thats great! But besides that Costa Rica didnt make it out of group play and Mexico only got as far as R16. I wouldnt say that in itself is a call for 1/2 or even a full spot. For all we know that "success" could have been a mishap. What about Asia? Korea top 4, does that mean we should increase them also 1 full slot?

>>CONCAFAF should play South America for the other spot.>>

I totally agree. That would be very interesting to see NA/CA#4 vs SA#5. What a wasted opportunity. Instead they do Asia vs NA/CA...that makes no sense.
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