Argentine NT News, Stats & Players Thread 2011-2012 (Part I) [R]

Volrath · May 16, 2011

2010-2011: Part I
2010-2011: Part II

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Carizzo isn't going to be our starter in the Copa, is he?

cigar_city · May 16, 2011

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Volrath said: ↑

Carizzo isn't going to be our starter in the Copa, is he?
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I had the same mini-discourse with RiverGaucho on the Boca clasico thread. He remains convinced that Batista has Carrizzo penciled in as the starter. Not as one of the arqueros going to the CA, but the starter.

I think he's got too many Carrizzo posters hanging on his wall ..

Correct me if i'm wrong, bu that was the biggest game he's been involved in quite some time, and he payed like complete crap. Both goals were clearly his fault.

There is no way Carrizzo is the clear cut #1. Come on, Batista was in Catania with Andujar last week for a reason..

RiverGaucho · May 16, 2011

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i don't get the outlash of anti-carrizo sentiment on here, when me the one who was affected the most by his errors, is still his big backer... the guy is a wall

even casillas has bad games, he whiffed a kick last week and led to a goal, then misjudged a cross later that led to another. EVERY goalkeeper has errors, Amadeo Carrizo, Pato Filliol, Goycochea, Pumpido all had bad days too

meanwhile a guy like Romero is supported on these boards, face 4 shots and let all 4 in against germany, carrizo let in 6 against bolivia but made 18 saves, the stats don't lie Romero=muerto... even mexico spotted how bad romero was when they tried to hit long range shots at him and he was lucky not to concede at least 3

Leon12 · May 16, 2011

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Carrizo, Romero, lets face it both guys are a million miles away from being remotely world class, and that's the problem we face, it's not so much who is the best goalkeeper we have, it's who's the least worst.

If we just had someone who was half competent that would do, but we don't so if I had to choose I'd go with Romero.

cigar_city · May 16, 2011

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I invite you to search the thread and find where Romero has been "supported." i think tolerated is a better word.

romero as the #1 is as mysterious to me as Lisandro's constant exclusion.

I've seen Carrizzi play several games this year, including the Newell's game unfortunately.

But my problem is that his lapses usually occur in big games.

Casillas, like every other keeper, is certainly allowed to mess up on occasion, but Carrizzo seems to either too aggrerssive or too hesitant in the big games.

I'm not infatuated with any arquero Argentino out there, believe me. I think Carrizzo should certainly be in the mix. But he is not the clear number one, as you think/hope/want.

Pipiolo · May 16, 2011

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RiverGaucho said: ↑

i don't get the outlash of anti-carrizo sentiment on here, when me the one who was affected the most by his errors, is still his big backer... the guy is a wall

even casillas has bad games, he whiffed a kick last week and led to a goal, then misjudged a cross later that led to another. EVERY goalkeeper has errors, Amadeo Carrizo, Pato Filliol, Goycochea, Pumpido all had bad days too

meanwhile a guy like Romero is supported on these boards, face 4 shots and let all 4 in against germany, carrizo let in 6 against bolivia but made 18 saves, the stats don't lie Romero=muerto... even mexico spotted how bad romero was when they tried to hit long range shots at him and he was lucky not to concede at least 3
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Both Romero and Carrizo suck. Andujar is garbage too. I would probably give a chance to someone like Montoya from Velez, he may not be world class either but at least he's solid.

SupaMario · May 16, 2011

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I agree that all of our GK's are quite horrible. Romero has the reflexes of a bulldog, the guy reacts so damn slow. Just go back and watch some of his games,(vs Mexico would be a perfect example during the WC). Carrizo,that was pure comedic yesterday, the only thing that was missing was the Benny Hill music. His performance just worries me that he might not be a big game player. Lets face, the last good GK we had was Roa, since then, I just don't know, it's been joker after joker. I never liked Pato either, I don't who how well or poor Ustari was this season.

RiverGaucho · May 16, 2011

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Pipiolo said: ↑

Both Romero and Carrizo suck. Andujar is garbage too. I would probably give a chance to someone like Montoya from Velez, he may not be world class either but at least he's solid.
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Montoya isn't even Velez's starter so i dont know what youre talking about

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I agree that all of our GK's are quite horrible. Romero has the reflexes of a bulldog, the guy reacts so damn slow. Just go back and watch some of his games,(vs Mexico would be a perfect example during the WC). Carrizo,that was pure comedic yesterday, the only thing that was missing was the Benny Hill music. His performance just worries me that he might not be a big game player. Lets face, the last good GK we had was Roa, since then, I just don't know, it's been joker after joker. I never liked Pato either, I don't who how well or poor Ustari was this season.
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carrizo is a big game player... i'd go back to the game against Racing when with 10 men JP had 9 saves... if the oldest clasico in argentina isn't big enough for you i can cite past games against Boca when he was monstruous, in the 2007 clausura in the bombonera, a 1-1 draw that could have ended in a 4 or 5-1 victory for Carrizo who saved us.. when he was at Lazio he was a hero in the rome derby and the fans all chanted his name before it was over...

I've said it before, if people like Amadeo Carrizo and Pato Filliol call JP the best goalie that good enough for me, those two guys are hands down the two best argentine goalies of all-time... Goyco and Pumpido also backed Carrizo and so is Batista... he hasn't confirmed him as the starter but its only a matter of time before he does

Now i don't mean to offend anyone, but i don't think anyone on hear really followed Carrizo's career, they just saw the blooper from yesterday and remember the Bolivia game (when he had 18 saves and was man of the match btw) i've seen every match hes ever played for River (about 120 or so including libertadores games) and for Argentina, i saw most of his time at Lazio... he was not benched for his play but for lack of discipline! the coaches didn't like his style and he refused to changed so they put him on the bench... he was often fined for being late also which played a part... it had NOTHING to do with his talent

if people are doubting Carrizo's talent they really need to watch more futbol

SupaMario · May 16, 2011

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RiverGaucho said: ↑

carrizo is a big game player... i'd go back to the game against Racing when with 10 men JP had 9 saves... if the oldest clasico in argentina isn't big enough for you i can cite past games against Boca when he was monstruous, in the 2007 clausura in the bombonera, a 1-1 draw that could have ended in a 4 or 5-1 victory for Carrizo who saved us.. when he was at Lazio he was a hero in the rome derby and the fans all chanted his name before it was over...

I've said it before, if people like Amadeo Carrizo and Pato Filliol call JP the best goalie that good enough for me, those two guys are hands down the two best argentine goalies of all-time... Goyco and Pumpido also backed Carrizo and so is Batista... he hasn't confirmed him as the starter but its only a matter of time before he does

Now i don't mean to offend anyone, but i don't think anyone on hear really followed Carrizo's career, they just saw the blooper from yesterday and remember the Bolivia game (when he had 18 saves and was man of the match btw) i've seen every match hes ever played for River (about 120 or so including libertadores games) and for Argentina, i saw most of his time at Lazio... he was not benched for his play but for lack of discipline! the coaches didn't like his style and he refused to changed so they put him on the bench... he was often fined for being late also which played a part... it had NOTHING to do with his talent

if people are doubting Carrizo's talent they really need to watch more futbol
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Come on Gaucho, if Carrizo played for Racing, would you still defend him? He has had a fine season thus far but there is no bigger game then Boca y River in Argentina(Media from all the world follow this game). If he is going to be our #1 then fine, I will support I will not nitpick at little things when he plays. If Carrizo is the starter and plays the way he did yesterday in the final of the Copa, I hope he is prepared to be exiled.

Just wondering, where do you rank him as GK's in the world. I am curious of seeing your top 5 GK's in the world.

haihaihai · May 16, 2011

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Contrary to the popular belief (ahem...), Carrizo is closest to being a world class goalie that the Argieland has. Romerito? Andujagar? nah...these fellas are steady at best (not Romerito as much).

Carizzo is a crazy fella. Has Gatti and Dominguez rolled into his head and like them (not to the same degree...) is a ball of talent.
The fella needs chance, but whether he will flourish or blemish is another question.
A big game fella? nah, at least doesn't deserve to be renowned as such.
A bottler? again, not enough samples to put a decree on it either...

Andrés_ · May 16, 2011

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There're four keepers in Batista's mind, Romero, Andujar, Carrizo and Ustari one of them will be cut for the Copa América. By the time being I think that Romero will be the starter, regardless of what happened to Carrizo yesterday, it's true that any keeper can have a bad day.

SupaMario · May 16, 2011

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A little something for the River fans.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_66qiOxIx-c&feature=channel_video_title"]YouTube - Erik Lamela vs Racing Club 2011 By Zouzinho[/ame]

A little something for the Boca fans.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKgpRhnuQe0&feature=channel_video_title"]YouTube - Riquelme vs Argentinos Juniors 2011 By Zouzinho[/ame]

A little something for the Pastore fans.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZJhWgwhKuc&feature=relmfu"]YouTube - Javier Pastore vs AS Roma 2011 By Zouzinho[/ame]

haihaihai · May 16, 2011

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^ You should be a diplomat Supermario.

xdryza · May 17, 2011

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Sergio Batista: Carlos Tevez Is Unlikely To Be In My Copa America Squad

There has to be a personal reason. We need Tevez on this team, and the fact Messi is our nine is laughable. Is it too hard to find a competent coach?

W.Lewin · May 17, 2011

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I don´t like this exclusion of Tevez. He's a match winner for City.

Look at the 4-1 spain game. He assisted both messi and Higuaine for their goals, and scored the third.

Brandon10 · May 17, 2011

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If its not personal then the only reason I can think of is that Tevez doesn't want to be on the bench. We already have our starting forwards in Higuain and Messi, so maybe Tevez would rather not play than start.

xdryza · May 17, 2011

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Tevez just scored a golazo for City. Batista can go suck it!

Make that 2 for Tevez!

Andrés_ · May 17, 2011

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xdryza said: ↑

There has to be a personal reason. We need Tevez on this team, and the fact Messi is our nine is laughable. Is it too hard to find a competent coach?
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Messi may carry the tag of being the "9" but Higuaín will also be a starter. Today I heard an interesting comparison, wouldn't Tevez be the equivalent of Ibrahimovic at Barcelona?

Another interesting thing: http://www.canchallena.com/1373998-messi-le-pone-fichas-a-pastore & http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/messi-aconseja-barca-fichaje-pastore/20110517dasdaiftb_36/Tes

Rattlehead · May 17, 2011

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tevez shows his argentina colour knee protector... i guess we all know what he's trying to say

messi freekick is still not as consistence as tevez.... messi is not the same messi anymore like 2 years ago, he always learn from previous lost... so this time the combination could work, who knows.

in case anyone didnt notice, tevez scored 4 goals in 7 matches for argentina in 2010... not counting his assist.

Fellini · May 17, 2011

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Brandon10 said: ↑

If its not personal then the only reason I can think of is that Tevez doesn't want to be on the bench. We already have our starting forwards in Higuain and Messi, so maybe Tevez would rather not play than start.
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I think Tevez should start over Higuain. Higuain spent most of the season on the injured list. Tevez on the other hand had a very good season for Manchester City.

Rattlehead · May 18, 2011

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Fellini said: ↑

I think Tevez should start over Higuain. Higuain spent most of the season on the injured list. Tevez on the other hand had a very good season for Manchester City.
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with messi and di maria behind him, higuain will still find a way to score, there's still time for preparation.... having someone who always lurking inside or near box is important... these days, the weaker side always play with 10 man walls against the big team and hit only with counter attack... tevez and messi type of solo run will sees a deadend at some point.

higuain missed like 5 chances against nigeria but scored a hattrick in next match.

locoxriver · May 18, 2011

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We'll have to see if Higuain even starts. It is clear that Batista has him in mind, but he also hinted that he might be a sub:

"Hoy el 9 del equipo es Messi". También señaló que "como variante en la delantera tengo a Higuaín [Gonzalo, del Real Madrid]", agregó el DT.
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http://www.canchallena.com/1373786-batista-sobre-carrizo-no-me-dejo-llevar-por-dos-partidos

The article also mentions that Carrizo has been confirmed as one of the three keepers for the Copa America.

W.Lewin · May 18, 2011

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Who else is he thinking of besides Tevez? How many forwards are in a team?

4? 5?

He has Messi, Aguero, Higuaine, Lavezzi ?

SupaMario · May 18, 2011

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W.Lewin said: ↑

Who else is he thinking of besides Tevez? How many forwards are in a team?

4? 5?

He has Messi, Aguero, Higuaine, Lavezzi ?
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Higuain*, I would leave Lavezzi and put in Tevez instead. Maybe not as a starter but as a sub. Aguero,Messi I would like together. But honestly, I would just leave Lavezzi out and add in another true winger like Perotti who could rip it up and is not as selfish as a Di Maria or Lavezzi. If I see Tino Costa and Perotti on the Copa America squad and Tevez is out, I could live with that. But if all 3 are out(Which could be highly likely) then I would be a bit sour. I have given up hope on Licha making the team. I do not know who Batista has in mind to be a replacement for Pipita, but I hope I do not see a all-midget-army. I would love to see a Kun-Pipita-Messi trio running at defenders. I am not fond of the Di Maria- Messi-Lavezzi trio, it just does not mesh really well.

Leon12 · May 18, 2011

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I can see little option but to use Higuain as a sub, he is cleary not match fit at the moment.

The most inform Argentine strikers (Messi aside) are Tevez and Aguero, personally I would like to see Aguero start as Tevez has had more than enough chances in the starting line up, Tevez can then be used as an impact sub if required.

Lavezzi is a player who blows hot and cold, can be brilliant on his day, but if he's having an off day then he contributes nothing.

I will be interested to see how Di Maria does at the Copa, he has been outstanding for Real Madrid this season, racking up over 20 assists, lets hope he carries that form to the NT.