So there we have it two weeks in the books, and probably still to early to draw any conclusions. Through 19 games we have completed 6.2% of the 2011 season. So far the one thing that really does stand out is that all other seasons had at least one sub 10k match by the end of the 19th match. So even though this season is 4th best at this percentage of completion it certainly is holding it own considering it will have far more matches than any previous season. In this thread we discuss the: (AAQ = Attendance Analysis Quotient. This figure is an overall attendance assessment, calculated from the weighted values of average attendance, median attendance, <10K percentage and >20K percentage. A lower figure represents a better attendance performance.) This is a slight change from Andy's old formula which used simple ordinal values and provided a full ranking point separation for two numbers that may have been within a percentage. This ordinal system did not allow for fine differences to be seen, and may have painted a somewhat skewed view of the numbers (though to be honest there is not much difference in the two end of season sets). The formula to find the weighted value for each column is: Take the annual value and subtract it from the Max value for it's column. Then take that result and divide it by the (Max-Min) for its column. For example, for the average column 17410 is the max 13756 is the min 3654 is the difference To calculate the derived value for 2010 Subtract 16675 from 17410 to get 735. Divide 735 by 3654 then mulitply by 100* to get 20 *Note that this step is new as some people thought whole numbers would be easier to read. MLS Attendance is based on tickets distributed not tickets scanned. Therefore if a team sells or distributes X number of tickets, then X is the attendance for that match. Even if 0 people showed up for whatever reason, X would still be the official attendance. There are a number of reasons actual attendance may be lower or higher than the announced. If you believe that the attendance was more or less than reported please use the Perceived Attendance thread to discuss that.
So this past week brought the total to 19 matches played, brining the total to 6.2% of all matches completed for 2011. Of those 19 matches, 13 have topped 15k, and the current standard deviation is 5296. The 9 matches this last week were as follows: Code: Seattle 36204 Toronto FC 20086 Chicago 12157 Columbus 10306* Philadelphia 18591 New England 12914 FC Dallas 11022 Real Salt Lake 20507 Chivas USA 13027 [B]Total 154814[/B] [COLOR="Red"]Average 17202[/COLOR] *From Columbus Dispatch match report. There was one attendance milestone Chivas USA reached 1.5 million in attendance in their 94th home match. Which is tied with Columbus for 6th fastest to 1.5 million. This upcoming week gives 8 matches with Columbus hosting on a Friday night, this could be the first sub 10 of the season. Two matches take place in Canada on the same day for the first time as both Vancouver and Toronto are home. The champs are home to DC, Portland continues their extended road trip this time at New England. Red Bulls are home, and then two in California, Galaxy and Quakes round out the matches.
And lastly for the numbers. Again still really early but this season is looking good in 4th place all time at this point: Current Season: Code: Current Average Median <10k >20k AvgPts MedPts <10kPts >20kPts AAAQ AAAQRnk Date 1996 31729 27126 10.0% 90.0% 0 0 40 0 40 1 4/20 1997 18631 14862 20.0% 30.0% 72 84 80 73 310 13 4/5 1998 16110 14841 8.3% 25.0% 86 84 33 80 283 11 4/4 1999 16129 16191 16.7% 25.0% 86 75 67 80 308 12 4/3 2000 13639 12922 25.0% 16.7% 100 97 100 90 387 15 4/1 2001 17320 16200 0.0% 20.0% 80 75 0 86 240 7 4/14 2002 23689 18450 0.0% 44.4% 44 60 0 56 160 2 4/3 2003 17584 19801 22.2% 44.4% 78 50 89 56 273 10 4/19 2004 19686 20356 22.2% 66.7% 67 46 89 29 230 6 4/17 2005 13958 12553 25.0% 8.3% 98 100 100 100 398 16 4/15 2006 20646 19860 0.0% 50.0% 61 50 0 49 160 3 4/8 2007 17132 16462 0.0% 16.7% 81 73 0 90 244 8 4/15 2008 16753 17251 7.7% 30.8% 83 68 31 72 254 9 4/6 2009 15632 15291 14.3% 14.3% 89 81 57 93 320 14 3/29 2010 18841 18653 6.7% 40.0% 71 58 27 61 217 5 4/10 2011 19225 18591 0.0% 42.1% 69 59 0 59 186 4 3/26 Historic End of Season: Code: EOS Average Median <10k >20k AvgPts MedPts <10kPts >20kPts AAAQ AAAQRnk Date 1996 17410 15093 21.9% 26.3% 0 7 54 20 81 4 9/22 1997 14606 12733 25.0% 16.3% 77 75 65 78 295 12 9/28 1998 14312 11871 26.6% 16.1% 85 100 71 79 335 14 9/27 1999 14282 12973 32.3% 15.1% 86 68 92 85 331 13 10/10 2000 13756 12690 34.4% 12.5% 100 76 100 100 376 15 9/9 2001 14961 13431 26.6% 17.7% 67 55 71 70 263 10 9/9 2002 15821 14108 17.1% 18.6% 43 36 36 65 179 6 9/22 2003 14900 13719 23.3% 18.0% 69 47 59 68 242 9 10/26 2004 15549 13223 24.7% 25.3% 51 61 64 26 202 8 10/17 2005 15112 12619 27.1% 17.7% 63 79 73 70 284 11 10/16 2006 15426 14113 19.3% 18.2% 54 36 44 67 201 7 10/15 2007 16767 15353 8.2% 29.7% 18 0 3 0 20 1 10/21 2008 16460 15188 11.0% 24.8% 26 5 13 28 72 3 10/26 2009 16037 14686 14.7% 20.9% 38 19 27 51 135 5 10/25 2010 16675 15332 7.5% 22.5% 20 1 0 42 63 2 10/16
I'm expecting that the USA-Argentina game will negatively impact Red Bull attendance. 80K people just dropped good money to go to a soccer game in the freezing cold in the exact same area. Also it's Houston. The Houston game was the lowest number posted at RBA last year, and that was in June... at 11,462. Also after a brief spell of spring-like weather before the last home game, we seem to have been plunged right back into winter. I think precipitation and cold are expected for Saturday. Those who think RBA should be an automatic sellout a 25K should prepare for disappointment.
No, it's much too early in the year to worry about any of the numbers. It may well be a down year for Columbus but that doesn't mean they wouldn't rebound nicely with a quality team. Just normal ebb and flow. Also, keep in mind in 2009 Columbus had one game in the 8000s and one in the 7000s but still averaged over 14000.
Low attendance in Columbus was due to the cold weather they are having. Also, all of the stars on Red Bulls were in international competition or injured. Like all forms of entertainment, soccer sells better with recognizable stars.
I wish I could understand the situation when the mlextrassoccer website doesn't list an attendance but that home city's fish wrap does. It's not the first time; luckily it was factored in with the stats page. Keep up the good work as always.
You have to think that with Man United playing at Red Bull Arena (relatively small capacity) against the MLS All Stars that Red Bull should see a boost in attendance. With only 25,000 tickets. they will probably be able to sell loads of 3 game or 4 game packs when they start off with that being the only way to buy Man U tickets. Perhaps too early to say, but I think it's possible that Red Bulls will have as strong or stronger attendance this year then last.
You mean a boost in ticket sales. There is often a solid group of no-shows at RBA, especially in the expensive seats (or so it looks on TV).
A boost in paid attendance. And to be clear, that is paid attendance at our 250 million dollar soccer stadium.
No, I meant ticket sales for MLS games (you can add the word paid if you like). Hopefully it will also boost actual attendance, but those kind of packages to see one team may boost ticket sales for the other games but won't necessarily boost attendance as much as they boost the sales.
But if that's the direction you're going, you're in the wrong thread. It's easy to see how the ASG will help boost paid, and therefore announced, attendance for some Red Bulls game. Whether or not you want to believe those people will show, or will have shown, is beside the point in this thread.
I know about the difference between the threads. It will definitely boost paid and announced attendance, the one we care about in the thread. Its not clear if it will get more people to MLS games. The original poster said it would necessarily boost MLS attendance. The all star game will surely sell out AND at probably really high prices given the ticket scarcity. It will necessarily boost MLS announced attendance if they sell ticket packages. That's the exact distinction I'm trying to make.
Since we are talking Red Bulls today, I'm wondering if there has been any improvements around the stadium area? Is the work on the Path station finished up? Anything to do/spend $$ on on the walk from the station to the stadium?
https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1673910 Has a good update on progress/lack of progress
What is the biggest factor that makes the NFL HUGE, IMO? 16 games Sunday games (with a few exceptions). If they played 162 or 84, no one would care all that much about the NFL. A lesson MLS could learn along with weather. Don't expand your season Don't waste weekends on Superliga Start away from March Madness. April - Sept 24 games and see a signifcant interest and attendance boost.
I'm not certain how a 24 game regular season would lead to a "signifcant interest and attendance boost." Average "attendance boost" or total "attendance boost"? MLS's business (kinda like the NFL's business) expansion is based in part on playing more games (not fewer) and selling more total tickets.