Di Canio the fascist

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  1. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After the match Di Canio celebrated the 3-1 victory over Roma in the with the Nazi salute. His fascist views are well known, both from the tatoo on his arm ("DUX", latin for leader) and from one chapter of his biography dedicated to Mussolini.

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    Freaking pathetic.
     
  2. RandyNA74

    RandyNA74 Member

    Jun 9, 2004
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Yikes...I knew he was "nostalgic" in his politics, but this is a bit too much.
     
  3. crvena_zvezda

    crvena_zvezda Red Card

    Oct 21, 2004
    in Ur EyeS
    sieg um jeden preis

    Heil Di Canio Sieg Heil
     
  4. vico

    vico Member

    Aug 6, 2001
    Stockholm, Sweden
    Re: sieg um jeden preis

    some people seem to appreciate it
     
  5. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    Not to dismiss this as problematic, but there are only 2 pages in his book that speak of Mussolini, not an entire chapter. Some excerpts ...

    "I think he was a deeply misunderstood individual. There are two aspects to my fascination with Mussolini. The first is the way he faced difficulties and overcame them ..... Mussolini's other great quality was his patriotism. Like me he was a nationalist ..... He deceived people, his actions were often vile or calculated. But all this was motivated by a higher purpose. At stake was the fate of a nation ... What fascinates me, and this is probably where Mussolini and I are very different, is the way he was able to go against his morals to achieve his goal."

    It may be a distasteful opinion, but right-wing nationalism (aka fascism? my dictionary says fascism involves a dictatorship; another definition I found says it includes the forcible suppression of political opposition, neither of which I suppose Di Canio endorses) does have a significant presence in Italian politics. Mussolini's granddaughter Alessandra is even in the Italian parliament. I guess what I'm saying are his views are his views.

    Having said that, the Nazi salute .... that is taking it too far. That represents a lot more than simple nationalism, especially taking place after the Rome derby, since many Roma fans are Jewish. He should be pilloried for doing that.
     
  6. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What I meant was from a chapter, not a chapter dedicated to.

    I believe that Alessandra is pretty liberal though, remember that she was once a porn star.

    Unless laws have been changed, Italy has laws against fascism much as Germany does with Nazism and Nai symbolism.
     
  7. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: sieg um jeden preis

    Well he is a Nazio and Red Star fan.
     
  8. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Re: sieg um jeden preis

    Easy there Dante.
     
  9. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: sieg um jeden preis

    Yeah, yeah I know... sometimes it's just so easy though.
     
  10. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    She's a member of the Alleanza Nazionale party - www.alleanzanazionale.it - "The Web Site of the Italian Right Wing".

    BTW, I'm surprised not to see anything about this gesture on RAI or in La Gazzetta. If Di Canio had done this in England, it would be all over the papers there.
     
  11. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
  12. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    lets not go crazy....

    no need for this....how did you become a mod?? Two pages becomes a chapter...

    anyway, while I won't condone Di Canio's actions...he was extremely heated and very emotional. He is a glory hound and his actions in that picture were no doubt an attempt at earning even more favor with the ultras...
     
  13. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: lets not go crazy....

    Did I say he dedicated an entire chapter to Mussolini? I said he comments on him where from a chapter in his book.

    I became a mod before you were a member, thanks for asking.

    So you won't condone his actions, yet you go on to condone them. Interesting.
     
  14. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Re: lets not go crazy....

    I don't condone his actions....nor do I think it was "freakin pathethic". Was it in poor taste? No question...

    this is the key phrase from di canio's take on mussolini:

    "He deceived people, his actions were often vile or calculated. But all this was motivated by a higher purpose. At stake was the fate of a nation ... What fascinates me, and this is probably where Mussolini and I are very different, is the way he was able to go against his morals to achieve his goal."

    and by the way thanks for taking the focus off our best victory this season and putting it on this...
     
  15. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: lets not go crazy....

    You're welcome, but don't blame me for the actions certain Lazio players.
     
  16. 655321

    655321 New Member

    Jul 21, 2002
    The Mission, SF
    Re: lets not go crazy....

    If you think giving the nazi salute in a stadium, or anywhere for that matter, is anything less than "freakin' pathetic", then you have your own issues.

    I don't care if you're emotional or it's a heated match. The nazi salute is the nazi salute. Period. End of discussion.
     
  17. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Re: lets not go crazy....

    not blamely you for that, only for making way too big a deal out of a passionate couple of seconds after a very tense derby...
     
  18. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Re: lets not go crazy....

    your absolutely right, wrong choice on my part. What I was trying to get it is I dont believe him to be a facist or racist. See the highlight portions from his book above....

    using the "saluto romano" was certainly a bad choice....I'm curious to see what he says (he's never quiet) as reporters approach him on this...
     
  19. mritalian1210

    mritalian1210 Member

    Jun 10, 2004
    Northern Jersey
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I'm guessing Roma is liberal and Lazio is pretty conservative huh?

    In that case Forza Roma lol.


    BTW cassano goal was beatiful. He is the future of italy
     
  20. nyrmetros

    nyrmetros Member

    Feb 7, 2004
    DiCanio's salute looks similiar to Shearer's salute when he scores. Just making an observation, that's all. With that said I like both players, and support Newcastle and the Metrostars.
     
  21. phillips10

    phillips10 New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cranford
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    showed the story and the pic to a couple italian (non calcio) friends...they claim there to be a difference in the roman salute...
     
  22. lond2345

    lond2345 Member

    Aug 19, 2002
    USA
    Re: lets not go crazy....

    He is rebellious, he causes controversy, this is why the fans love Di Canio.
     
  23. Cassano

    Cassano Member

    Jul 16, 2004
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Yeah, but every time Shearer scores, you can tell his salute is celebratory... After watching Di Canio over the years I never knew he was a fascist. And I don't think he ever made a Nazi salute in England either...nor did I think he ever had a 'signature' celebration...
     
  24. supersport

    supersport New Member

    Oct 17, 2001
    San Francisco
    Re: lets not go crazy....

    Exactly. And not that I condone this action, but we in America tend to forget that the rest of the world isn't as PC as we are.
     
  25. Catfish

    Catfish Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Are you sure he wasn't raising his hand to wave goodnight to the fans?

    btw, I'm a Jew....so this disturbs me, but doesn't surprise me at all.
     

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