Climate Research Unit Hacked - Damaging e-mails released

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  1. johnh00

    johnh00 Member

    Apr 25, 2001
    CT, USA
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    New England Revolution
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    United States
    Recently some hackers hacked into the Hadley CRU - this is one of Britain's leading Climate Research Units. Some really damaging e-mails were released that, if real, are going to be very damaging to the case for AGW.

    Hadley has admitted they were hacked, and the content of some of the e-mails has already been confirmed by the parties involved, but this doesn't mean that this isn't an elaborate hoax. If the e-mails are true though, this is going to be a huge boost to the skeptics of man-made global warming.

    BBC Story

    Telegraph Story
     
  2. YankHibee

    YankHibee Member+

    Mar 28, 2005
    indianapolis
    The skeptics never needed any evidence did they?
     
  3. The Gribbler

    The Gribbler Member

    Jul 14, 1999
    Cedar Hill, Texas
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    FC Dallas
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    No kidding. "If released" , "could have", "might be"?

    How about if those email are so damaging then leak them already and maybe you'll have something worthwhile. Until then I can claim to hack the President's email and speculate about leaking his supposed real birth certificate.
     
  4. johnh00

    johnh00 Member

    Apr 25, 2001
    CT, USA
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    Umm...they were released. I don't know if they are true, but if they are, they are *REALLY* bad. Granted, this is only one research center, but it's a very important one, and if these e-mails are true, their credibility is completely shot and this could have a huge effect on Copenhagen.

    It will be interesting to see how this develops over the next week or so. The manner and timing in which this whole thing was released make it suspect, but the lack of a vehement push-back on it makes me wonder.
     
  5. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
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    Alarming indeed.
     
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  6. YankHibee

    YankHibee Member+

    Mar 28, 2005
    indianapolis

    The ones that were excerpted in that horrible Telegraph article make it look like nothing.
     
  7. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    Well, that settles it for me - I can finally go back to leaving my lights on at home and burning high-sulfur diesel in an open pit.

    Yay, more pollution! Suck on that, Mother Nature!
     
  8. SgtSchultz

    SgtSchultz Member

    Jul 11, 2001
    Parts Unknown
    I love the hyperbole. Whether the supporters of AGW like to admit to it or not, they were involved in some serious fear mongering. In some ways, supporters acted like religious nut jobs.

    If AGW is not happening, will Al Gore finally be discredited as a fraud? Will he return his Nobel Prize or Academy Award?

    Just because I thought the theory of AGW was wrong does not mean I am going to be irresponsible when it comes to the environment.
     
  9. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    An interesting take by a science journalist.

    http://scienceblogs.com/islandofdoubt/2009/11/the_hacked_climate_science_ema.php

    Much is being made by those who really, really believe that there's a global conspiracy among climatologists of the emails and other documents stolen from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit. According to such bloggers, thousands of "embarrassing" pieces of correspondence between some of the leading climate researchers in the world now lay bare the scheme to mislead humanity about the nature of climate change.

    I downloaded the 62 MB file and took a quick look at a random selection of what are mostly dull little missives bereft of the context required to understand them in any meaningful way. Just as you'd expect from bits and piece of correspondence never intended for public consumption. Next.

    One email, however, from Phil Jones, has been singled out by the usual suspects because it appears to suggest someone's trying to pull the wool over our eyes: "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." But again, you'd have to be part of the conversation to properly interpret it. Fortunately, the Real Climate gang are, and have been, part of the loop, and they explain it thus:

    ...
    And here follows a chunk of technical/contextual explanations

    But here's something more interesting in this context:

    There are some interesting documents in the hacked file. I may use them to bone up on some background when I have the time. But anyone who publishes them without permission from the authors clearly has a problem with their ethical subroutines.

    Yeah, that's an interesting issue: publishing people's correspondance without permission.
     
  10. DJPoopypants

    DJPoopypants New Member

    Who has those damaging leaked Bush/Saddam Hussein & Bush/KimJong Il instant messenger transcripts?

    I can't find them on the internets.

    Scrubbed? It's a conspiracy I tell you. A C-O-N - uh - spiracy
     
  11. dogface

    dogface Let's Just Pretend

    Jun 22, 2002
    St. Peter, MN
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    I refuse to let Big Climate win.
     
  12. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    Global warming may be real, but it's freezing cold here in Jinzhou.
     
  13. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) and released 61 megabites of confidential files onto the internet

    I wouldn't take much notice of someone who spells byte with an 'I' :D
     
  14. ViscaBarca

    ViscaBarca Member

    Mar 26, 2004
    London
    are competitive eaters generally climate change deniers?
     
  15. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
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    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Well,consider the amount of methane released after eating five plates of barbecue in twenty minutes.
     
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