Who's going to get an at-large to the tournament?

Discussion in 'College & Amateur Soccer' started by oldguyfc, Oct 27, 2009.

  1. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Not many tweaks yet ... Michigan drops to the bubble after losing to Penn State. Despite losing on penalties, I think Charlotte remains pretty safe.

    Big Ten (6, 86%): Northwestern, OSU, PSU, Mich St, Indiana, Mich
    ACC (7, 78%): Wake, UNC, Maryland, Virginia, BC, Duke, NC State
    Pac-10 (3, 50%): UCLA, Stanford, San Diego State
    Missouri Valley (3, 50%): Drake, Missouri St, Creighton
    Ivy League (4, 50%): Harvard, Princeton, Dartmouth, Brown
    West Coast (3, 43%): San Diego, LMU
    Big East (5, 31%): St John's, UConn, Notre Dame, Louisville, USF
    Big West (2, 29%): UCI, UCSB
    Horizon (2, 22%): Butler, Green Bay
    A-10 (1+): Charlotte
    CAA (1+): William and Mary
    CUSA (1+): Tulsa
    MPSF (1+): New Mexico
    NEC (1+): Monmouth
    MAC (1): Akron
    Other conferences (0): tournament winner only

    purple - teams that have clinched an automatic bid
    blue - teams that will undoubtedly be in the field (99% certain)
    green - teams that will probably be in the field (better than 50%)
    brown - barely inside the bubble

    Note: current projections assume that all of the "1+" teams win their conferences. When upsets happen, someone will drop out.
     
  2. Prester John

    Prester John New Member

    Aug 7, 2009
    Captain for Life!
    Club:
    Des Moines Menace
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Missouri State and Creighton did themselves no favors tonight.
     
  3. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Suddenly, things are a lot more complicated.

    Out west, Loyola Marymount remains on the bubble after tying at Santa Clara 2-2. LMU blew a 2-0 lead with ten minutes left, and now the LMU at St Mary's winner probably gets in, but not both teams. I've also put Portland back on the inside of the bubble after its win over Seattle. Another victory on Sunday would give it a good chance. Meanwhile, New Mexico has reached the MPSF final and probably wrapped up a bid.

    In the east, Brown and South Florida have fallen off the bubble. They've been displaced by Charlotte and William & Mary, who crashed out of their conference tournaments but are nonetheless likely to be invited by virtue of their high RPIs. If Brown beats Dartmouth on Saturday, I suspect that Dartmouth will fall out.

    Meanwhile, the midwest presents an unpredictable choice. There's room to invite some but not all of the following four teams: Michigan, Creighton, and Missouri State, plus Green Bay if it loses to Butler in the Horizon League final. I've dropped Missouri State because I don't expect the committee to recognize how difficult was to win the MVC regular season title this year.

    In: Portland, tournament winners from A-10, CAA
    Out: Missouri State, Brown, South Florida

    Big Ten (6, 86%): Northwestern, OSU, PSU, Mich St, Indiana, Mich
    ACC (7, 78%): Wake, UNC, Maryland, Virginia, BC, Duke, NC State
    Pac-10 (3, 50%): UCLA, Stanford, San Diego State
    West Coast (3, 43%): San Diego, Portland, and winner of LMU at St. Mary's
    Ivy League (3, 37.5%): Harvard, Princeton, winner of Dartmouth at Brown
    Missouri Valley (2, 33%): Drake, Creighton
    Big West (2, 29%): UCI, UCSB
    Big East (4, 25%): St John's, UConn, Notre Dame, Louisville,
    Horizon (2, 22%): Butler, Green Bay
    CAA (2, 17%): Winner, William and Mary
    A-10 (2, 14%): Winner, Charlotte
    CUSA (1+): Tulsa
    MPSF (1+): New Mexico
    NEC (1+): Monmouth
    MAC (1): Akron
    Other conferences (0): tournament winner only

    purple - teams that have clinched an automatic bid
    blue - teams that will undoubtedly be in the field (99% certain)
    green - teams that will probably be in the field (better than 50%)
    brown - barely inside the bubble

    Note: current projections assume that all of the "1+" teams win their conferences. When upsets happen, someone will drop out.
     
  4. bravessoccer

    bravessoccer Member

    Sep 9, 2004
    I think you may be correct that committee will overlook the difficulty of the MVC this season, but will it ignore a 1-0-1 record for Missouri State against Creighton?

    MSU won AT Creighton and was 7-1-1 v. 4-2-4 versus the league. Their RPI numbers are nearly identical.

    I really hope this doesn't come down to an either/or scenario since I think both are NCAA-quality teams.

    I need to look more closely at the rest of the country.
     
  5. CT-ref

    CT-ref Member

    Jun 14, 2002
    When the RPIs are this close, they either take both, or go with the better team in head-to-head. Bid goes to MSU if they only take one of them. Depending on the remaining tournaments, if the favorites beat the underdogs, this will be a non-issue.
     
  6. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    The Pac-10 was Saturday's focal point, and two of its teams are now hoping that the selection committee will buck the RPI. Cal was #62 before winning at Stanford yesterday, and Oregon State was #67 before winning at Washington. As a longshot, the Beavers have some appeal because they closed strong under their new coach. In conference play, they came in 2nd behind UCLA.

    Also, San Diego State pulled off a 1-1 tie at UCLA and is therefore eligible for a bid. With an RPI of #22, I think it gets in despite its 6-6-6 record.

    Big Ten (6, 86%): Northwestern, OSU, PSU, Mich St, Indiana, Mich
    ACC (7, 78%): Wake, UNC, Maryland, Virginia, BC, Duke, NC State
    Pac-10 (3, 50%): UCLA, Stanford, San Diego State
    West Coast (3, 43%): San Diego, Portland, and winner of LMU at St. Mary's
    Ivy League (3, 37.5%): Harvard, Princeton, winner of Dartmouth at Brown
    Missouri Valley (2, 33%): Drake, Creighton
    Big West (2, 29%): UCI, UCSB
    Big East (4, 25%): St John's, UConn, Notre Dame, Louisville
    Horizon (2, 22%): Butler, Green Bay
    CAA (2, 17%): Winner, William and Mary
    A-10 (2, 14%): Winner, Charlotte
    CUSA (1+): Tulsa
    MPSF (1+): New Mexico
    NEC (1+): Monmouth
    MAC (1): Akron
    Other conferences (0): tournament winner only

    purple - teams that have clinched an automatic bid
    blue - teams that will undoubtedly be in the field (99% certain)
    green - teams that will probably be in the field (better than 50%)
    brown - barely inside the bubble

    Note: current projections assume that all of the "1+" teams win their conferences. When upsets happen, someone will drop out.
     
  7. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Well who's gonna argue with the devil's spawn?:)

    SDSU, Oregon State, and especially Cal, will be interesting. Gonna be tight. It's hard to believe the Pac-10 is only a two bid league but when your second place team has a .500 record and two other teams have RPIs in the 60s, it doesn't help.
     
  8. Monarch Bay Beachbum

    Apr 5, 2004
    The OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought I was in the UNCG thread when I read that.;)
     
  9. Nacional Tijuana

    Nacional Tijuana St. Louis City

    St. Louis City SC
    May 6, 2003
    San Diego, Calif.
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm about a 30 minute bus ride from SDSU. Cought many of their home matches. Never realized they were that good. I don't know a thing about the Pac 10. Are they usually a multibid conference?
     
  10. oldguyfc

    oldguyfc New Member

    Sep 26, 2006
    Chicago
    Horizon League final goes to pk's between UWGB - Butler.
     
  11. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Thanks to the posters providing updates in other threads, here's my latest projection. Dartmouth lost 3-0 to Brown today, and despite having an RPI that's good enough, it's a toss-up whether their late season form gets them in.

    Big Ten (6, 86%): Ohio St, Northwestern, PSU, Mich St, Indiana, Mich
    ACC (7, 78%): Virginia, Wake, UNC, Maryland, BC, Duke, NC State
    Pac-10 (3, 50%): UCLA, Stanford, San Diego State
    West Coast (3, 43%): San Diego, Portland, and winner of LMU at St. Mary's
    Ivy League (4, 50%): Harvard, Princeton, Brown, Dartmouth
    Missouri Valley (2, 33%): Drake, Creighton
    Big West (2, 29%): UCI, UCSB
    Big East (4, 25%): St John's, UConn, Notre Dame, Louisville
    Horizon (2, 22%): Green Bay, Butler
    CAA (2, 17%): Winner, William and Mary
    A-10 (2, 14%): Winner, Charlotte
    CUSA (1): Tulsa
    MPSF (1+): New Mexico
    NEC (1): Monmouth
    MAC (1): Akron
    Other conferences (1): tournament winner only

    purple - teams that have clinched an automatic bid
    blue - teams that will undoubtedly be in the field (99% certain)
    green - teams that will probably be in the field (better than 50%)
    brown - barely inside the bubble
     
  12. soccerjump

    soccerjump New Member

    Aug 21, 2009
    New Mexico Losses to Sac St. in Pks after giving up 2 leads.
     
  13. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Thanks for the New Mexico result. After a tie in their conference final, I think they're comfortably in. In the late games, Portland is making a statement by beating up San Francisco 5-0, while LMU has solidified its hopes by winning 2-0 at St. Mary's. The Gaels fall off the bubble, having gone winless in their last four games.

    In the end, my projections work out to be pretty simple. In order to get an at-large, you need (a) a record that's at least .500, and (b) an RPI that was in the top 43. Two teams that satisfy those requirements won't get bids. My best guess is that they'll be #31 Dartmouth and #37 Missouri State.

    http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/weeklyrpi/2009MSOrpi1.html

    IN: LMU, Sacramento State
    Out: St. Mary's, Dartmouth

    Big Ten (6, 86%): Ohio St, Northwestern, PSU, Mich St, Indiana, Mich
    ACC (7, 78%): Virginia, Wake, UNC, Maryland, BC, Duke, NC State
    Pac-10 (3, 50%): UCLA, Stanford, San Diego State
    West Coast (3, 43%): San Diego, Loyola Marymount, Portland
    Ivy League (3, 38%): Harvard, Princeton, Brown
    Missouri Valley (2, 33%): Drake, Creighton
    Big West (2, 29%): UCI, UCSB
    Big East (4, 25%): St John's, UConn, Notre Dame, Louisville
    MPSF (2, 25%): Sacramento State, New Mexico
    Horizon (2, 22%): Green Bay, Butler
    CAA (2, 17%): UNC Wilmington, William and Mary
    A-10 (2, 14%): St Louis, Charlotte
    CUSA (1): Tulsa
    NEC (1): Monmouth
    MAC (1): Akron
    Other conferences (1): tournament winner only

    purple - teams that have clinched an automatic bid
    blue - teams that will undoubtedly be in the field (99% certain)
    green - teams that will probably be in the field (better than 50%)
    brown - barely inside the bubble
     
  14. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Do the Cal Golden Bears & Kevin Grimes have a shot?
     
  15. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Grimes is a great guy.

    Is it wrong for me to hope Cal misses out and Grimes gets fired so he can come to St. Louis? ;) :p
     
  16. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    not sure..... I know they've been hit hard by injuries in the month of October so that may not have helped his situation.....
     

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