[CaCTuS[14DT]]

Ran across an interesting study done down in Argentina with the sole intention of finding the "most loyal" hinchada. And conversely the least loyal as well. They considered a wide range of aspects (if games are at night, if its against your primary rival, if Maradona is playing, if there has been violence, etc..etc..) to help understand just how the attendance figures translate to club loyalty.

As is no surprise... the myth perpetrated by the newspapers was exposed for what it is... A LIE. To cut to the chase:

Most Loyal Fans (only 1st Division):
1. Talleres
2. Banfield
3. Chacarita Jrs
4. Colon
5. Lanus
6. Estudiantes
7. Huracan
8. Newell's Old Boys


The LEAST Loyal....
1. San Lorenzo (ha ha...)
2. Rosario Central
3. Velez Sarsfield
4. bosta juniors
5. Argentinos Juniors
6. River Plate
7. Racing
8. Gimnasia LP
9. Independiente


The first point is that what really they are measuring is consistancy in turn out, especially when results go against your team (ehem...bosta). The big teams suffer more of these swings (it's measuring fan loyalty "volatility") because on a good day they fill a 60,000 seat stadium, but then have an off week and draw only their real supporters. Only Huracan made the list of most loyal out of the so called Big 6.

Some direct quotes from the study:

"Interpretando los resultados obtenidos, vemos que al bajar posiciones en el campeonato la mayoría de los clubes sufre de una disminución en la recaudación. San Lorenzo de Almagro, Rosario Central, Boca Juniors, Racing y Gimnasia (La Plata) muestran mayor volatilidad (menor lealtad) que sus respectivos rivales Huracán, Newell’s Old Boys, River Plate, Independiente y Estudiantes (La Plata). En particular, puede observarse que San Lorenzo y Boca Juniors, contrariando a la creencia popular, muestran alta volatilidad."



Plus it says that loyalty measured purely on tickets also rules in our favor. If you look at their "recaudacion", which is what the papers historically always put in the game stats, bosta makes more money per game on average than we do. This of course, is because we have way more socios (once it was twice as many as they did...some 60,000), and they do not pay for home games. So what happens? When bosta is doing well, their recaudacion goes way up because these are people who only go when they do well. In this aspect, we are not much better...but better still. Conversely though, if you look at the amount of tickets used (including those not payed for, ie. socios), the figures tip way in our favor which means the bottom line is... REGARDLESS OF HOW THE TEAM IS DOING, WE ARE MORE LOYAL THAN THE BOSTEROS. ENOUGH OF THE MYTH. BOSTERO AMARGO, NO EXISTIS!

To read the entire report:
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/cobertura...gs/trabajo.pdf

[NACIONAL]

this thing is pure crap... and your so great river is nothing more than boca... its just a little lower than boca....

[argentine soccer fan]

That is a ridiculous study. What they don't take into account is that teams like Talleres and Chacarita have just a few fanatical fans. Boca has more fanatical fans but in addition has many more casual fans. So when you do a survey the fanatism gets dilluted. The true fans who are most loyal get classified together with the many casual fans who are not fans at all but say they follow Boca because it is a popular team, and go to see them occasionaly just to have a distraction. Probably the same happens to some extent with River, Racing, Independiente, San lorenzo etc. That is why all the most popular teams are in the 'worst' list and the little teams are in the 'best' list.

If anybody has any doubts, go to 'la bombonera' to 'la popular' and then draw your own conclusion. If you manage to survive, then compare what you saw in person with the moronic study.

I think true Boca fans are the most loyal, but it is not our fault that the team also is the most popular among the casual fans.

[NACIONAL]

Originally posted by argentine soccer fan

I think true Boca fans are the most loyal, but it is not our fault that the team also is the most popular among the casual fans.

agree... i think that this river fan is envy...

[CaCTuS[14DT]]

Originally posted by NACIONAL

agree... i think that this river fan is envy...

Of what?? What I am saying is that since bosta can't be as successful as River, the media invents this bullsh!t that they are the most loyal fans in the world..bla bla bla... it's a ***************ing lie.

And what "bolivian soccer fan" says is funny. The study makes it quite clear that what they are studying are averages, not static numbers. Of course the big teams get more fans...but when they break it down by the appropriate ratios, it's clear that the smaller teams have a more consistant following. Why is this so hard to admit? Ahhhh because it goes against the greatest of Argentine Lies, which is the "greatness" (in their own mind) of bosta. If they truly are so loyal, they should be able to fill up that 3/4 size stadium they have week in week out. But sadly, being a bosta fan is more about image than substance.

[efernandez9]

my 2cents (in pesos)!


from the outside:

I enjoy both teams, I know is like a SIN... I am suposed to heat one or the other, but both fit my likes.....


accomplishments? well- without looking at more numbers and stats, I will venture to say that both teams are the most well-known clubs in the continent and top 10 in the world....
the best conmebol has to show for.
I will be a casual fan, but in a clasico, I pull for 4 or 5 goals, do not ccare who takes the 3pts, I just want to see the circo around the game and good futbol

I embrace both teams and follow them since the great efforts made to promote colombians, thanks to bianchi and pelado diaz

[metrocorazon]

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[CaCTuS[14DT]]

Originally posted by metrocorazon
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[efernandez9]

traduccion?

o solamente trolling the forum

[BrianCappellieri]

On today's Western Union Football they have a piece on La Doce. Worth checking out if you have MSG or FSW/E.