[Helghallen]

I dug the initial rules out and posted them here.

Originally Posted by ur_land

Group play will consist of a home-and-home mini-league (6 games). The top two teams from each group, as well as the best two third place teams will advance to the knockout round (the remaining 3rd and 4th place teams will have the option of forming a consolation bracket, if wished).

All games will be played under cup rules.

Wins will be worth 2 points, pk losses (i.e., ties after 90 minutes) worth 1 point, losses worth 0 points.
Points will be used to reseed teams for the purposes of the knockout bracket. The knockout bracket will be home and home, except for the final and 3rd place games, which will be held at the lower seed's stadium.

In the case of ties within a group, the tiebreakers will be (in order) goals scored, goal differential, fewest disciplinary points, and average home attendance. In the unlikely event that there is still a tie, then it will be setteled by the largest bribe to the tournament administrator.

Also, since this is a friendly/ reserve cup, your starting lineup should be mostly reserve players. Each team should post their starting lineups (just names, no positions necessary, unless you wat to) to the board. Only four players from your starters will be allowed to play in cup games. If you have 17 or fewer players (DC Untied) you will be allowed to add additional starters to be able to field a full team, but you will be ridiculed and told to go buy a cheap $1000 28-year old passable IM. Starters can be named as subs.

Lineups need to be posted asap (before the first round of BS cup games a the latest.

Now that we have nearly finished the first BS cup, what changes does everyone think need to be made?

[kopiteinkc]

1. I think it should 3 points for a win, not 2.

2. Fielding a max of 4 players from your starters is mandatory. If you don't have a big enough squad, get one. If you don't, you don't play. Hell a few weeks of crappy youth pulls would fill a roster.

3. Line ups must be posted prior to 1st round or you don't play.

4. Failing to accept a challenge and "accidentally" scheduling a different friendly instead of a BS Cup match should result in immediate forfeit of the match. Full points to your opponent.

[Craig P]

Posting of lineups: Prior to the start of the cup, each team should post a roster of league starters. The eligibility of the cup lineups should be judged against that. The roster can be amended to take acquisitions and/or sales into consideration. It cannot be amended for form (perhaps an allowance could be made for some kind of "appeals" process if a team is really hammered on form and needs to make wholesale changes to their league lineup to cover).

I agree that lack of players is not an excuse -- there should be players capable of filling out a lineup on the market for $1000, and only teams in a truly desperate financial state are unable to make one or two such acquisitions.

[kuhnscoot]

So far I have to agree with everything, here is what I would do

1. Set your league starters before the cup starts, it is from this list that you set your cup starters from, changes can be made due to purchases and sells along with player skill increases, but must be made know to everyone, with a new posting of your league lineup which leads to...

2. Only 4 players from your league starters can play on your cup team, if you don't have the players, get them, like has been said, you can pick up cheap guys on the transfer list.

3. Like Mark said, change it to 3 points for a win, and change the rules from playing cup style matches, to playing normal, and just having ties, which will be 1 point.

4. Again like Mark said, if you don't accept the friendly or schedule another by accident, should be an automatic 3-0 walkover.

5. Try to post on the site a few times a week, so everyone knows that you know what is going on with the cup.

I think that is it, if I think of more I'll post them. How are we going to decide what rules are put into effect? Are we just going to vote on them or what?

[phillips10]

I agree with everything that has been posted. Perhaps we should do a roster minimum?

Say no one enters Cup without a 22 man roster? Other ideas:

1) How about just 3 players from your previous league match lineup? Make it more of a true reserve cup.

2) Limit the Cup to frequent BS posters, that will help keep it together and move things along well without missed weeks. Perhaps even cap it to 12 teams.

3) I'm glad ur_land started this up, but the commissioner should be a very visable poster here to make decisions quickly. I nominate Helghallen.

4) Make the knockout rounds 1 match, rewards the better team with a home game and removes the possibility of this stretching beyond the current season.

[Helghallen]

Oh lord, my big mouth has gotten me in trouble now. All I was trying to do was increase my post count.

Seriously, I don't have a problem with running the tournament if no one else does.

And I like the 22 player minimum roster and three starter max. Limiting to regular posters is a good idea.

Let's keep the ideas moving, this is great stuff.

[kopiteinkc]

Kuhnscoot recommended going to normal instead of cup rules.

I would oppose this as "cup rules" tends to bring in larger crowds for friendlies than normal matches.

We could stick with the PK winner getting 1 point after a draw.

[Craig P]

Originally Posted by phillips10

I agree with everything that has been posted. Perhaps we should do a roster minimum?

Say no one enters Cup without a 22 man roster?

I think that might be a little overboard. I've been playing a while, and I don't have 22 players who get game time on my squad (I've got two benchwarmers that never play). If you're going to require a limit of four league starters, then I don't think you need more than 18 as a roster minimum (to provide minimal injury cover).

[kuhnscoot]

Originally Posted by kopiteinkc

Kuhnscoot recommended going to normal instead of cup rules.

I would oppose this as "cup rules" tends to bring in larger crowds for friendlies than normal matches.

We could stick with the PK winner getting 1 point after a draw.

I hadn't really thought about it in that sense, looking at it from that way, I withdraw my coment about the normal rules, we all need to get money when we can with the friendly cup, so scrape that idea.

In regards to a new commissioner, maybe we need to consider having 2 so that it greatly increases the chances of a problem being resolved quickly.

Also, with the thought of a protest happening again, maybe we need to have a group of participants in the tournament to bring protest to. Every time there is a protest, any three managers not immediately involved in the problem would consider it and make a decision on the protest. Kind of tribunal thing.

[Helghallen]

I like the idea of two commissioners. From all appearances, ur_land put a lot of work into this tournament. Having two people share responsibility would greatly ease this workload.

The tribunal also seems to be a good idea.

And ur_land, I don't want to step on your toes. I don't want you to think I'm trying to take your job.