[comme]

There are many people on these boards who have no time for the Club World Cup. In order to avoid derailing all the CWC threads, please post anything to do with why the competition is worthless or should be scrapped in here.

I will be moving future posts into this thread, and will be keeping a close eye on this thread as well. This is not World Rivalries! It is possible for both sides to hold a discussion without it descending into insults.

[DCU1996]

Right now, the biggest criticism I have is that selection of hosting country should be more fair. However, I undersatnd it just started and I'm sure it'll get better.
Hosting country selection should be at lesat same level as the World Cup.

[comme]

Really?

That is the biggest fault?

This tournament has so many faults it isn't even funny. In theory there should be a World Cup for clubs, it's a great idea, it's just a shame that it isn't in the real world.

Major problems in the tournament

1. Complete disparity in the quality taking part. This is meant to be some sort of World Championship, and yet you have Waiketere United competing. What is the point in this?

2. Apathy from fans and participants (of European teams).

3. Timings. It is right in the middle of the European season and as such is an unnecessary distraction.

4. The tournament even recognises the disparity in quality by allowing Europe and South America to come in at the semi-final stage.

5. The tournament is both too long and too short. Too long in that it actually exists, too short in that you cannot decide the best team in the world off essentially one game.

It's like using the European Super Cup or the Charity Shield as a decider for the best team in Europe or England.

That is just a starter for you.

[DCU1996]

Originally Posted by comme

Really?

That is the biggest fault?

This tournament has so many faults it isn't even funny. In theory there should be a World Cup for clubs, it's a great idea, it's just a shame that it isn't in the real world.

Major problems in the tournament

1. Complete disparity in the quality taking part. This is meant to be some sort of World Championship, and yet you have Waiketere United competing. What is the point in this?

2. Apathy from fans and participants (of European teams).

3. Timings. It is right in the middle of the European season and as such is an unnecessary distraction.

4. The tournament even recognises the disparity in quality by allowing Europe and South America to come in at the semi-final stage.

5. The tournament is both too long and too short. Too long in that it actually exists, too short in that you cannot decide the best team in the world off essentially one game.

It's like using the European Super Cup or the Charity Shield as a decider for the best team in Europe or England.

That is just a starter for you.

We have to keep it in mind that it just got started. It's only about 4 years old.
All those list were all applied to the World Cup when it started.
UK teams didn't even bother to participate in the World Cup in the early years.

Right now at best it's club version of Confederations Cup which I think should go away when we have the World Cup. It might just stay at that level or grow. I hope it grows.

[cmedina1983]

Let's sum up this thread in a few short sentences, shall we?

Euro-centric posters will suggest that the two best confederations will be UEFA and CONMEBOL, ergo ******** everyone else.

Realists will suggest that it is necessary to have representatives from all confederations in order to make it a true "world" spectacle.

Others will have horrific ideas on how to "improve" the competition, and most of these users will be from the USA.

That's about it - thread closed.

[DCU1996]

Originally Posted by cmedina1983

Let's sum up this thread in a few short sentences, shall we?

Euro-centric posters will suggest that the two best confederations will be UEFA and CONMEBOL, ergo ******** everyone else.

Realists will suggest that it is necessary to have representatives from all confederations in order to make it a true "world" spectacle.

Others will have horrific ideas on how to "improve" the competition, and most of these users will be from the USA.

That's about it - thread closed.

Some correction.

Euro-centric posters will say UEFA da best, UEFA Champions League is it.
SA-centric posters will say that the two best confederations will be UEFA and CONMEBOL, ergo ******** everyone else. (Some SA folks might even say CONMEBO is better than UEFA, but... whatever...)

Bottom line is talk is cheap. Prove it in the CWC!! No bullshit No excuse. You win, you are the World Champion.

[Moishe]

I came across some posts in the original home thread to this current thread that I didn't want to reply to in the home thread out of respect for the Mods wishes.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showp...&postcount=100


In the above link scmcbride21 makes the claim that European sides didn't put out there top line-ups, ones they would start in a top league or cup match....a simple google search would have shown just how wrong that claim was.

ManU 2008:
* Edwin VAN DER SAR 1
* Patrice EVRA 3
* Rio FERDINAND 5
* CRISTIANO RONALDO 7
* ANDERSON 8
* Wayne ROONEY 10
* PARK Ji Sung 13
* Nemanja VIDIC 15
* Michael CARRICK 16
* RAFAEL 21
* Carlos TEVEZ 32

Milan 2007:
* DIDA 1
* Paolo MALDINI 3
* Kakha KALADZE 4
* Gennaro GATTUSO 8
* Filippo INZAGHI 9
* Clarence SEEDORF 10
* Alessandro NESTA 13
* Andrea PIRLO 21
* KAKA 22
* Massimo AMBROSINI 23
* Daniele BONERA 25

Barca 2006:
Victor VALDES (GK)
MOTTA (-59')
Rafael MARQUEZ
Carles PUYOL (C)
Eidur GUDJOHNSEN (-88')
Ludovic GIULY
RONALDINHO
Gianluca ZAMBROTTA (-46' HT)
Giovanni VAN BRONCKHORST
DECO
Andres INIESTA
(Xavi came in for most of the second half)

L'Pool 2005:
Pepe REINA (GK)
Stephen WARNOCK (-79')
Steve FINNAN
Sami HYYPIA
Harry KEWELL
Steven GERRARD (C)
Luis GARCIA
XABI ALONSO
Fernando MORIENTES (-85')
Momo SISSOKO (-79')
Jamie CARRAGHER

Madrid 2000 (Intercontinental)
GK 25 Iker Casillas
DF 4 Fernando Hierro
DF 18 Aitor Karanka
DF 3 Roberto Carlos
MF 6 Iván Helguera
MF 8 Steve McManaman
MF 24 Claude Makélélé
MF 21 Geremi
MF 10 Luís Figo
MF 14 Guti
FW 7 Raúl

Sorry dude but those just don't look like watered down starting line-ups. Were those the rosters you were talking about?

[Moishe]

A response to Karloski.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showp...&postcount=104

The Libertadores number one no doubt. Of course winning the torneo means more. For some context, in order to go to the CWC/Intercontinental you had to win your continental cup but in order to win that you had to win your league in many cases. Pretty easy logic? Was that the answer you were looking for?

[Moishe]

DCU1996:

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showp...&postcount=135

Why are you so quick to label the Intercontinental a friendly? It was as much a FIFA date as the CWC and it was the tournament FIFA used to determine it's club world champion until they realized the enormous cash cow Asia is. You assert that all the European teams that went to the Intercontinental didn't care about the result is inherently untrue on it's face.

[Moishe]

DCU1996 again:

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showp...&postcount=160

Really we don't have an inferiority complex, put a team in front of us and we want to beat you be it for a CWC or Joan Gamper, it doesn't matter. The "we don't care" attitude is a built in defense mechanism for those unfortunate times when you lose to "lesser" competition. What was Pep's first goal with Barca this season? That's right it was the CWC. What was Ancelotti's view towards taking on Boca? How about some of his players? Claude Makele care so little of the defeat to Boca in 2000 that he refers to it as his toughest loss. I think the inferiority complex lies with those European glory hunters. A pro footballer wants to win everything in front of him, it's how he made it to the top. He doesn't just stop caring all of a sudden.

We also don't hide behind the Intercontinental, it's what is in front of us so we play to win much like the overwhelming majority of the European teams that have been a part of it.

You continue on to say we don't want a "proper" world tournament. As it stands I really think the tournament is a mess. For the sake of inclusion why should we have to watch teams that are clearly inferior to those of Europe and South America? If I thought a Kiwi or Kuwaiti team could win it and do so consistently then the more global approach would be welcomed. I'll touch on my ideas to better the CWC in the proper thread.

I can't speak for the poster you quoted, but the reason we and the rest of the world paid no credence to the Interamericana was that it was a friendly cup and not a FIFA tournament unlike the Intercontinental. For a top South American side, beating a side from North America means little. Only recently did beating Mexican sides mean much. Historically people will look back on some of the classic match ups of classic sides from the Intercontinental and wish for those same dream match-ups. The Interamerica? Aside from hardcore fans and followers of DCU will ever fondly remember that tournament.