[pc4th]

2010: http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2010.html

3 Italy 15.357 11.928 10.250 11.375 4.142 53.052
4 Germany 10.437 9.500 13.500 12.687 4.583 50.707


2011: http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2011.html

3 Germany 9.500 13.500 12.687 4.583 0.000 40.270
4 Italy 11.928 10.250 11.375 4.142 0.000 37.695



3rd: 3 auto Champions League spots, 1 qualification spot
4th: 2 auto Champions League spots, 1 qualification spot

[96Squig]

Maybe. It's possible, and (surprise!) it will depend on how well both nations do this year. Hard to say at this point, to be honest. Stuttgart, Hamburg and Berlin were major disappointments.

[96Squig]

Will be following this closely over at the Germany forum.

Originally Posted by Marienburg

(...)
If we stack it up Germany vs Italy in both competitions:

Germany: 3 wins, 2 ties, 1 loss
Italy: 2 wins, 2 ties, 3 losses
(...)

Spain, Italy, Germany and Austria are the only countries with all teams left in both competitions.

[pc4th]

Would more Serie A, La Liga, EPL teams in the Europa League take the competition more seriously if a spot in the Champions League is on the line?......win the Europa League and you have a place in the group stage or at least a qualification spot.

[aloisius]

don't think so. the chances of winning it are to low to risk your whole season on it.


the uefa cup isn't there primarily for the richest 4-5 leagues .

it's their to give a chance to clubs from poorer leagues to play a decent number of competitive European games.

[TheGrimSweeper]

not if Gigi Buffon keeps playing how he is.

[Marienburg]

Going to be real interesting. I can say this with pretty good confidence: the deciding factor will be the Europa Cup and not Champions League. Germany will need Hamburg, Bremen and/or anyone from the CL who takes 3rd for the parachute into Europa to make a serious run while Italy fails to do so to have a shot at it.

[Dage]

Italy has one team more at Europe, so it will be a tough competition for the German teams to collect more points.

[Lusankya]

Originally Posted by Dage

Italy has one team more at Europe, so it will be a tough competition for the German teams to collect more points.

It doesn't matter because you look at the average points per team.

[Equilibrium]

Italy have much better teams in CL, though I think we may edge it out in Europa especially if Hamburg pulls their head out of their ass. So really, we can't know right now until at least after the group stages are over. Until then, we don't even have an idea which team has an advantage or not.