Norh American Priemership?

Discussion in 'CONCACAF' started by DANNO49, May 8, 2004.

  1. DANNO49

    DANNO49 Member

    Feb 6, 2001
    Hawthorne CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Los Angeles Spanish newspaper,La Opinion, has an article about a proposed North American Priemership. From my poor translation skills I have gatherd that it will have teams from both the MLS and FMF. It was thought up by Concacaf. You can propbaly find the article at www.laopinion.com. Click on Goalazo or the article is entitled "Quieren reducir la frontera" you could search for it there. If anyone can translate it into English I and others would be apriciative. ;)
     
  2. beachesl

    beachesl Member

    Oct 21, 2002
    Mendoza, Argentina
    Re: Norh American Premiership?

    Well, here's roughly what is said (that the head of the top Mexican league wants to set up a tournament or similiar competition, not a Premier League as such, with the MLS):

    The United States and Mexico are studying the possibility of creating a "Dual Premier League" with clubs from both countries, the President of the First Division of Mexican football, Víctor Garcés, states.

    The proposal has been presented by the Mexican Federation and its counterpart in the United States to the CONCACAFcongress happening in Grenada, the director said.

    "It would be an extraordinary display to take Mexican clubs to the United States and vice versa; we could make a Premier League, which would be very attractive ",commented Garcés.

    One of the suggested objectives would be to strengthen the top football league of the United States (MLS), assured Garcés.

    The President indicated that the proposal will have to be analyzed carefully because, in addition to the sporting aspects, it will also be necessary to consider the "economic and commercial aspect".

    Directors of the football federations of the United States and Mexico will meet during the next congress of the FIFA {at the end of next week} to continue studying this proposal.

    "We have approached the MLS and have the intention of expand the development of it’s football, so we won’t spend a long time before we take serious steps, such as organizing a tournament involving top league teams from both countries ", added Garcés.

    "We are soon going to do something a little more serious towards organizing this tournament, that will display a quality and commitment to the United States and Mexico, exclusively through the avenue of this “league”, that will soon unfold", the director added.

    "We will see if we can strengthen the MLS through sport cooperation, and, as well, they will also strengthen our league. There is a great affinity for Mexican football in the United States in general, and in particular for the large population of Latinos in the US, particularly of Mexican, Honduran and Salvadoran background", he concluded.

    Hugo Says No

    The ex-Mexican striker and presently technical director of the UNAM Pumas club, Hugo Sanchez, yesterday rejected the possibility of creating a Premier League for teams of his country and the United States, pointing to the fact that it was supposed "to strengthen" the football of our neighbor to the north.

    "Who would want to strengthen American football with our talent, our quality and the many years of experience of we Mexicans, so that in just a short time they would be equal to us?" Sanchez asked, in rejecting before the press the possibility of creating a bi-national league.

    The former striker of the Spanish club Real Madrid and the Mexican national team added that: "Mexico continues to be the giant of the CONCACAF and we should not feel obligated to strengthen US football so they are up to our level.”
     
  3. Shaydee

    Shaydee Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Norh American Premiership?

    am i wrong or hasn't mexico been our bitch for the last 8 years?
     
  4. AMEPUNKANIST

    AMEPUNKANIST Member+

    Dec 16, 2003
    Club:
    America Propria
    A Priemership with he argie league or la liga du brasil. Thats what the mexican leagues needs.;)
     
  5. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

    Paris Saint Germain
    United States
    Apr 8, 2002
    Baltimore
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This whole proposal is reflective of the lack of insight at CONCACAF, the failure to make anything out of their Champions Cup, which, if developed correctly (and this is not hard, it just - primarily - requires that the money made FROM the tournament go BACK INTO the tournament in terms of rize money and development) would - and damn well SHOULD serve the same purpose.

    But because CONCACAF's think tanks cannot or will not (or both!) figure out a way to develop the tournament without their requisite levels of graft making it unviable, because there is NO LEADERSHIP, the region is left with these competitive band-aids.

    Everyday, EVERYDAY, this region's governance becomes more and more definitive of the term "disgrace."

    Wow; I cannot believe, after working there seemingly so long ago, how fresh my anger still is; when I worked there, I wanted to physically hurt certain people for their raping of the Confederation; now, its all welling up again, b/c I KNOW what, given the ample resources at the region's disposal, the COnfed should be looking like after 42 years.

    That we are so far from that hope, that possibility, is the main source of my odium. All must be exposed; truth must be told, truth spoken to power revealed, and tyrants overthrown, but not for any Aristotlean cyclic dynamis of "same old, same old"; its time, in the best DuBois-ian sense to reach for a "New Thing."

    We need a great vision for the region.
     
  6. riverplate

    riverplate Member+

    Jan 1, 2003
    Corona, Queens
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    I would have nothing against a kind of Super Bowl match-up (preferably a two-match aggregate series with one match held in each country) involving the champions of Liga Mexicana and Major League Soccer. But a Premiere-type league seems to be going a step too far. Both leagues should remain seperate and distinct.

    I don't buy the line about how this would be a way to improve the MLS product. MLS will really begin to improve when they go out of their way to lure some of the world stars over to their league. I hope someday soon for them to follow the European models in their spending activities and aggressiveness in obtaining quality foreign stars.

    The American league can certainly challenge the Europeans dollar for dollar (euro for euro?) down the line and getting tied up with the Mexican league will only retrict them in the future from doing that.

    And how about getting into the Libertadores. First things first.

    MLS should attempt to eventually be a world-class league, not just a North American-class league. (Although some of the natives seem not to mind it being their own little personal entertainment, and don't want it to grow beyond provincialism.)
     
  7. astabooty

    astabooty Member

    Nov 16, 2002
    China
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Norh American Premiership?

    ever think he was thinking in terms of clubs and not the national team?
     
  8. SankaCofie

    SankaCofie Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    Skorgolia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    i'm with mel... why go out of your way to make the champions cup even MORE worthless... all it needs is a good sponsor or two for some $ $ $ incentive but instead they pick an idea whose sole purpose is to screw everyone but Mexico and the US.

    i hope this gets axed violently.
     
  9. Shaydee

    Shaydee Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Norh American Premiership?

    yea i know but he should have worded it different if he meant that
     
  10. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    another stupid idea......
     
  11. denver_mugwamp

    denver_mugwamp New Member

    Feb 9, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Not really. Finding a way for MFL teams to play MLS teams in meaningful games would generate a lot of interest and revenue. Granted, MLS has a lot more to gain currently but the potential income to Mexican clubs could be rather large. I think it has a better chance of success than having imitation-MFL clubs playing in MLS.
     
  12. MoRado

    MoRado New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    San José. Costa Rica
    Club:
    Deportivo Saprissa
    Nat'l Team:
    Costa Rica
    having an imitation mfl clubs playing in mls is another stupid idea ...
     
  13. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Re: Norh American Premiership?


    8 years !!! really...

    97 Copa America, Mex/Bra gets Vote for best match of the tourney
    98 WC 98 Mex is the only TFC team to advance past the first round
    98 Mex Gold Cup champs beating the US in the final 1-0
    99 Mex Confed Cup Champs :)
    00 US wins Gold Cup
    01 WCQ HEX split with one win each
    02 US Eliminates Mex WC :(
    03 One friendly match 0-0/Mex Gold Cup Champs
    04 US U-23 eliminated from Olympics/Mex loses friendly 0-1 in extra time

    Bitches you say ? The most significant win came in the World Cup other than that you have a host of wins from "friendlies" all played in the U.S.. funny how US fans will brag about dominance in friendlys when they have yet to truly dominate the confed and by this i mean having the Most Gold Cups and being first in the HEX.. When was the last time the US finished in first place of WCQ ???
     
  14. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

    Paris Saint Germain
    United States
    Apr 8, 2002
    Baltimore
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Norh American Premiership?


    Hey, listen...I understand. It's difficult to deal with.
    But the reality is this: the, historically, greatest soccer power in the region shold not have to call upon a joke tournament like the Confed Cup, or (lol) its positioning in WCQ to celebrate its glory.

    The absolute 100% mortal lock bottom line is that in the most competitive match to date, on the biggest sporting stage on Earth, you got beat. Beaten by the United States. Period.

    You really have to wait until you either beat the US in a World Cup match, or go further than them in a World Cup to say anything. Ever.

    You know this. You KNOW that if the result had been the other way around, you would not want to hear from US fans about a damn thing until they beat Mexico at that level, or surpassed Mexico's acheivement at that level.

    So let's end the hypocrisy right now, and get back on topic.
     
  15. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

    Paris Saint Germain
    United States
    Apr 8, 2002
    Baltimore
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Read this bit you've written again, and tell me how that's not an absolute, undeniable failure of CONCACAF, particularly since 1990, to make the Champions' Cup what it ought to be.

    In addition, this dual league will have less significance than the Champions' Cup; at least the Champions' Cup offers (currently) the title of regional champion, and will (seemingly) offer a route to the FIFA WCC.

    This "dual Premiership" can offer nothing, b/c it suffers from the same flaw that the NASL suffered from; a dual nationality. The league can never produce a champion that can go anywhere, b/c the league, by being in more than one nation, violates the FIFA rules for tournament qualification. That's why, in part, NASL was an "outlaw league," and that's why this will be an outlaw concept.

    This is a desparate grab by the two powers of the region to get around the failure of CONCACAF to develop the Champions' Cup, and an admittance by them that they cannot influence the rest of the region to do what's clear and right and moral and just in terms of moving past this leadership structure to a viable future.
     
  16. Rusty_Shackleford

    Mar 24, 2004
    I thought this kind of sounded like a good idea. I think it would be better if MLS played on the same schedule as Mexican Futbol plays right now, and one of the two seasons is used for "dual league" play. Its not a great idea, but it may have some potential.

    ...and for all those US trolls, this isnt world rivalries, so shut the fvck up.
     
  17. Shaydee

    Shaydee Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Norh American Premiership?

    calm down it was a joke, in my opinion we are pretty much level on the national team side of things and obviously MFL is better than MLS
     
  18. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mostly correct on these points. Concacaf (now that they decided on another new flag) can look to putting some "oomph" into the Champions Cup. (First, make it 16 teams again. Second, reschedule it so that most teams aren't gone by February.) Later on, you can get to the group-play concept; keep the knockout format for now.

    Can't SUM (the MLS marketing arm), or whatever the Concacaf marketing arm is called, do something with this tournament?

    Maybe we have to get Canadian teams into this tournament somehow, to at least open up the interest in the Great White North. (Get your act together, Canada. Can you at least start an Open Cup tournament to get your champion into the CCC?)

    Barring that, create a true Pan-American club tournament. My idea was to have 40 South American teams (4 per country), and 24 North American teams. Play in your region for two rounds, to get 10 SA and 6 NA teams, when you can start crossing continents.

    But anyway, I would hope for strong domestic leagues leading to a strong regional tournament.
     
  19. beachesl

    beachesl Member

    Oct 21, 2002
    Mendoza, Argentina
    I fully agree with your sentiments about strenghenting the CONCACAF Champions Cup.

    The problem in Canada is the Canadian Soccer Association, a do-nothing bucnh of bureaucrats, does nothing. There has been plenty of talk amongst supporters groups, but no action by those with power. There is no real Canadian Open Cup yet, but there is a "Voyageurs Cup' between the 5 A-League teams in Canda that could serve as a Canadian qualifiers NOW until a real Cup for all interested teams is developed here.
    But, even if CONCACAF is interested, we can't send a team until the CSA applies, and they have refused to discuss it for some reason.
     
  20. DANNO49

    DANNO49 Member

    Feb 6, 2001
    Hawthorne CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The onlly way that the Chamions cup will become what it should be is if the Good Lord calls Jack (Ass) Warner home and we get a decent President. Prefably an American or Canadian.
     
  21. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    You mean like Chuck Blazer? :rolleyes:
     
  22. pugetsoundmls

    pugetsoundmls New Member

    Oct 6, 2000
    Seattle
    If this idea by the US and Mexico is really to put pressure on CONCACAF for a better run Cup tourney, they can start by looking in the mirror. Of course the Champions' Cup is poorly organized, changing in some form yearly, but the two regional powers haven't helped the legitimacy of the tourney by playing games in neutral locations as opposed to their home fields and also often sending "B" sides.

    Having said that, an initial group stage would be welcomed, and assure quite a few US club vs. Mexican club match-ups, which is what the federations seem to want. I'd break the region into 5 countries/regions: Caribbean, Central America, Mexico, US, Canada. Going with 16 teams, 4 groups of 4, I would limit each country/region to no more than 4 teams, but at least 1, in the tourney based on a ratings system (this would change yearly, but for this year maybe CA-4 teams, MFL-4, MLS-4, Caribbean-3, Canada-1). That way, you wouldn't get teams from the same league/region meeting in the group stage. Then, taking the top 8, play 2 legged knockout rounds to a one game final.

    But with the leagues north of the Rio Grande playing their season spring to fall, and everyone else in the region playing fall to spring, the scheduling gets tricky. The group stage would, preferably, have to fit in between the start of the MLS season and the beginning of the MFL and others' clausura playoffs. Then the knockout rounds of the tourney could resume in August when the MFL has returned with their apertura season and conclude before MLS playoffs. The final would maybe fit after MLS Cup and before the apertura playoffs. Or, conversely, just tell qualifying teams they'll have to play games in their offseason and possibly during their leagues' playoffs.

    But as everyone says, while there's great potential for the Champions' Cup, unless there's a leadership change at the top of CONCACAF, it's all for naught.
     
  23. BorrachoNJ

    BorrachoNJ New Member

    Apr 8, 2001
    NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ
    what the fook? it's bad enough when the MLS guys travel from the east coast to the west coast! now they want the guys to travel to southern Mexico and vice versa! How would visas issues work?
    What a crap idea!

    Someone mentioned recently that these cats in MLS should hook up a sort of geographic divisions so revs or metros don't go to san jose or LA...they would meet in final! i though this was stupid but it's better than NORTH AMER LEAGUE!
     
  24. SJJ

    SJJ Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Royal Oak, MI, USA
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Debate your distribution of teams. Central America could easily get 5 or 6 teams in a final 16. I see more of Central (5), Canada (1), Mexico (4), USA (4), Carribean (2). [Note the Fifa rule that on COUNTRY can have only 4 teams in a tournament, but a REGION can get more than 4.]

    Using your limit-of-4, I don't see how your rating system could change your initial figures much. It might go to Canada (2), Carribean (2) at some point, but no other change.

    Using a multi-year rating system, with Central America getting more bids, could end up in a case with Central (6), USA (3). [Is the fourth team in MLS ALWAYS get good?]

    I've said, keep the knockout system for now (but go to 16 teams), but eventually go to group play. Start it with four teams hosting a four-team group, where you play 3 games in the first round. One group in Mexico, one in the USA, one in Central America, one in Canada/Carribbean.

    With a World Club Championship seemingly more definite starting in 2005, this 16-team/group-play format could work. (Just get some games on TV, though.)
     
  25. Qdog

    Qdog Member

    May 8, 2002
    Andalusia
    Club:
    Sevilla FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Norh American Premiership?

    When was the last time it mattered? :confused:
     

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