The "29 executive boxes with conferencing and hospitality facilities on three levels" are on the near side in the photo, here are some pictures of them from a site I have found about the stadiums construction...
A few more from the proposed/were proposed line: Oldham Athletic 16K proposed. Look at what they are able to come up with overseas in terms of smaller scale design. ODD Grenland is 11-13K proposed:
Those are nice 'designs'. However emphasis must be placed on the fact that these 'designs' are just preliminary drawings.
The point is to illustrate the "design idea" differences between overseas and here. Even with the smaller scale seating limits, their "design ideas" blow ours out of the water. While progressively getting better, the SSS here are barely breaking out of the "American" mold so to speak. RBArena is the first one that really takes a step outward. I'd LOVE to at least see a preliminary drawing that matches that of the Oldham Athletic one I posted.
I see you skipped over the cookie cutter generation of stadiums here. Columbus, Dallas, Toronto, Salt Lake, Colorado, Chicago, Philly, LA ...... Yeah they are "nice" stadiums but what I'm talking about is different. You've referenced a pipe dream (Poplar Point) and then the two most recent designs. Congrats. I notice you didn't throw up SJ's design .... any reason ? I can think of one. My point stands, and two proposals aren't going to change it. I actually liked KC's other design better oddly enough.
Why would labour cost more in America, isn't the construction industry full of cheap immigrants? And land is on average cheaper in the US, not everywhere is LA. And I thought US stadiums were massively subsidised.
I'm sorry, let's back track here. The point is to illustrate the "design idea" differences between overseas and here. Even with the smaller scale seating limits, their "design ideas" blow ours out of the water. Your point was to illustrate that an overseas pipe dream is better then an American pipe dream. And I'm showing you that is simply not the case.
You've got the two most recent designs to "show me." I've got decades worth. Would you really like to compare ? Especially when over here we are still getting designs like SJ's ? I mean, in my original response to you I even made mention to the fact that they are progressively getting better and getting out of the mold. However, it will take much more than i'll say four (poplar, kc, houston, rbny) designs to buck a trend.
San Jose is really not all that bad of a design. It's basically Swansea with an open end. But honestly, there is no point in comparing 'initial' designs.
Mannn, if Bert Wolstein hadn't died, Cleveland would have had the best stadium in MLS. This is what we were supposed to get.
Actually that design came out after Bert dies, but yes, that is probably the nicest 'design' of them all. The reality probably would have been much different.
It's pretty extravagant but CSKA Moscow's new stadium is sex. Other images and links: http://i032.radikal.ru/0711/af/1dba2b1b7ab7.jpg http://i011.radikal.ru/0711/21/c2ba55131ba0.jpg http://i025.radikal.ru/0711/d8/03e10ffe0da7.jpg http://h.imagehost.org/0384/CSKA1.jpg http://h.imagehost.org/0115/CSKA2.jpg http://www.pfc-cska.com/content.php?id=31&lg=en
A new one freshly constructed. 16,000 seat home of Olimpija Ljublijana in Slovenia. more pics here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1039249&page=11
superb stadium. if youre going to buld a 16k stadium, thats how it should look. san jose earthquakes should have a stadium like that.
More pics of Ljublijana I also really like the Aveiro stadium. there's talk of the stadium being torn down due to high maintenance costs, poor location, and the fact the club that plays there, Beira Mar, only draws 2000 per game. Their old stadium is smaller and in the centre of town.