Projected/Desired Lineup against Algeria (R)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by chrisinho, Jun 18, 2010.

  1. rtung

    rtung Member

    Aug 20, 1999
    Chicago, IL, USA
  2. AmericanLegend

    AmericanLegend New Member

    Dec 31, 2009
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    -------Altidore-----Buddle---------
    --Dempsey----------------Donovan
    -----------Bradley--------------
    -------------------Edu-------------
    --Boca---DeMerit---Gooch---Dolo


    I like Edu in front of the back line again. He's done the best job of organizing the defensive midfield thus far. Demerit has been a rock so I'd shade Edu towards Gooch's side of the center backfield. I think Bradley is our best attacking option at CM, so I'd like to see him get up into the box to provide support on crosses from Donovan and and play balls through the middle up to our strikers.

    Subs: fairly similar to what we did last game. Bring on Holden for Onyewu and slide Dempsey further up top or into a more centrally attacking role; drop Edu into the back four as necessary. Later, if need be, bring on Goodson for one of the CMs and slide Holden into the middle.
     
  3. JAV7

    JAV7 Member

    Jun 2, 2009
    California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Totally agree with this line-up.
     
  4. TNJed

    TNJed New Member

    Feb 24, 2008
    Asheville, NC
    Re: Usa 3 5 2? [R]

    This is the closest thing to a 3-5-2 that you might see Bradley START with at this cup:

    Altidore Dempsey
    Beasley Bradley Edu Donovan
    Boca Gooch DeMerit Dolo
    Howard

    It's also the only 3-5-2-ish system that makes any sense given our personnel.

    Once you make the decision to use a defensive-oriented fullback on one side (Boca), and an offensive-oriented fullback on the other (Dolo), then you automatically have an unbalanced attack out of the back because Dolo will tend to get forward far more often than Boca. The 3-5-2-ish-ness can then come in depending on the ASSIGNMENTS given to your wide mids.

    For example, if you tell Donovan and Beasley to behave like normal wingers in a 4-4-2, that is, you give them the freedom to move into the middle and take shots where appropriate, then you're playing a regular 4-4-2.

    However, if you were to tell Beasley to STAY WIDE at all times- that he should use his speed to protect the flank defensively, and offensively, he must stay wide and use his speed to stretch the field and provide crosses into the box, then you are basically giving him the same role that Cherundolo plays on the right. You then give Donovan free reign to cut into the middle both offensively and defensively as needed. At that point, you're playing something very close to a 3-5-2.

    The 3-5-2 (or the hybrid above) is actually a conservative approach you would employ when you are worried about the speed of the opposing wingers. Given Boca's lack of speed, it might worth considering IF Beasley is in really, really great form. The other advantage is that they could shift easily from the above to the 4-4-2/4-2-2-2 we normally employ, in game, on the fly, by simply having Beasley and Donovan switch sides. But there are 3 things we should NEVER do unless it's a complete emergency:

    1. Use a short, speedy, attacking fullback (Dolo) as a CB.
    2. Use a midfielder with no real professional experience as a defender as a CB.
    3. Waste the talents of either of our best attacking players (Donovan or Dempsey) as wingbacks.
     
  5. jamezyjamez

    jamezyjamez Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Re: Usa 3 5 2? [R]

    yes please
     
  6. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    we go with the same 11 who started the 2nd half...

    those are the guyswho performed...

    BUDDLE...isn't it clear GOMEZ is preferred over him..

    neither start...

    jozy dempsey
    feilhaber MB EDU donovan
    boca gooch demerit dolo
    howard

    alergian players to be concerned are belhadj and ziani..

    ziani running at usa defense getting fouled...

    belhadj getting forward, so i'd look at having donovan on his side...

    60 minutes and usa needs a goal...take off feilhaber bring on gomez...

    60 minute mark USA up, take off feilhaber bring on buddle, dempsey back to mid...

    70 minute USA clark for edu...

    80 minute, usa needs a goal, holden for onyewu and 3 in the back again...
     
  7. moytoy12

    moytoy12 Member

    Jun 20, 2008
    Benny sealed his fate in my eyes with his lack of effort (e.g. Timmy yelling at Benny for failing to give effort on defensive end and pressure the ball). Benny was very lazy and didn't offer any spectacular play, which justified his laziness.

    If we go with Dempsey up top, give me Holden wide right and LD wide left.
     
  8. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    feilhaber, lack of effort...???

    timmy was screaming at edu too about stuff...

    feilhaber has skill..you guys listen to lalas, the meister hacker of all time...

    feilhaber can actually do something with the ball...

    you need ALL the skill you can get out there on the pitch...

    you want effort LIKE NEW ZEALAND effort..

    usa goes HOME with that sort of effor, and 1 shot on goal..
     
  9. jamezyjamez

    jamezyjamez Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I don't think there's any guarantee that we start the same 2nd half players. We played much better as a team and pushed players forward in the 2nd half. If we play that same way, lineup/formation doesn't really matter too much regardless of people's preferences.
     
  10. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    jozy up top is a given...

    i'd push dempsey up there too..

    edu MB and donovan

    so the other mid...

    holden OR feilhaber..both will see time, depends on who's the sub

    same backline...

    gomez OFF the bench is a mortal lock, when and if usa goes 3 forwards

    buddle has NEVER faced this sort of pressure before, so starting him i'd NOT do...


    clark late d sub when usa is ahead, just don't get a wreckless red there
     
  11. moytoy12

    moytoy12 Member

    Jun 20, 2008
    Yes. It was pretty obvious.

    I agree BF has skill, that's why it's so frustrating to see him half-assing it out there. He needed to get more involved; he was nearly invisible out there.

    It doesn't do much good if your skill guys are uninvolved.

    Sure, I'll take NZ's efforts with US' skill. If each of our guys plays balls out from the opening whistle, I like our chances.
     
  12. Soccer_Lancer

    Soccer_Lancer Member

    Jun 30, 2004
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's no way I'm reading this entire thread and I really don't think that playing a 3-5-2 is a smart move against Algeria.

    We are actually in a good place against Algeria. Algeria is going to attack, attack, attack. My plan would be to defend, defend, defend and hit them on the counter right from the start. Not having Findley in this game actually sucks balls for us.

    What I would do is the Christmas tree and counter-attack the hell out of Algeria...

    **********************Altidore

    ***************Dempsey ****** Donovan

    ******** Beasley ********* Edu ******* Bradley

    Bocanegra ****** Onyewu ****** Demerit ***** Cherundolo

    I'd put in Edu to lock down the center of the midfield. I'd start Beasley for two reasons, he's fast on the break and he's a good defending midfielder. He can help cover for the slower Bocanegra out wide and quickly close down players in the middle if required.
     
  13. Spry

    Spry Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    Pasadena
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Michael Bradley is a center midfielder. I'm sure he can play other positions but I don't think we'll see him on the outside of Maurice Edu. That's the tricky part about getting all of our best players on the pitch at the same time. If we want Maurice and Bradley on at the same time they'll either be playing side by side in midfield or one in front of the other, likely Bradley pushed up.

    ---------Altidore--------------------
    -------------Dempsey---------------
    Beasley-----------------Donovan
    ----------Bradley---- Edu-----------
    Boca--Onyweu---DeMerrit--Cherundolo
     
  14. Footsatt

    Footsatt Member+

    Apr 8, 2008
    Michigan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My thoughts... I didn't read through it all, but I read some of it.

    I think we played something like this in 2nd half of the Slovenia match. I could see BB trying this again. I would call it a 4132 on D and a 3124 on offense. I think Dolo was pushing up the sides on offense more then Edu up the middle. US probably wont push so many forward at the start but this formation certainly is flexible.

    Defense
    -------------------Howard--------------------
    -----------Demerit-------Gooch--------------
    --Dolo---------------------------------Boca--
    ---------------------Edu---------------------
    --Donovan-------Bradley---------Benny-------
    -----------Altidore------------Demps---------

    Offense
    -------------------Howard--------------------
    ------Demerit--------------Gooch--------Boca--
    -------------------Edu----------------------------
    ---Dolo----------------------------Benny-------
    -Donovan------Bradley-------------Demps-----
    ----------------------Altidore---------------------
     
  15. Jumbalaya

    Jumbalaya Member+

    Apr 27, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    You realize until we equalized that we were essentially playing a 3-4-3? Jozy wasn't alone up top he was just more of a center forward. Jozy has never done well as the lone striker up top... he doesn't have the motor.

    The Jozy/Demps pairing failed against Turkey... you go with Buddle up top to give Algeria's center halves 2 physical forwards to deal with... which opens up space for Demps and Donovan to do their thing.
     
  16. Pragidealist

    Pragidealist Member+

    Mar 3, 2010
    That's about half true. Most of the second half Jozy was alone with Dempsey playing more withdrawn at first, before joining him rather quickly when possible. Donovan and Feilhaber got up there quickly, creating something similar to a 4 3 3, but for the most part Jozy was alone up top.

    Having said that, his motor is an issue. He turned it on in the second half in a way that we have only seen spurts of throughout the tournament and recent friendlies.

    So yes he can play up top pretty much alone, but will he bring it?
     
  17. Pragidealist

    Pragidealist Member+

    Mar 3, 2010
    No Demps was almos always on the same side as Donovan. On defense we were a basic 4 4 2, with two bands of four behind the ball. On offense we were much more creative. Edu was really the only holding midfielder. Besides that it was extrememly dynamic with at times LD up as a 4 33 winger. At times he was with up front with Altidore with Dempsey more withdrawn. He was often a CAM with Feilhaber across from him and he was sometimes was as you depicted.

    On the second goal, he was back in the deep midfield sending a long ball to Altidore with Bradley making the run and Dempsey back... It was just crazy dynamic. I loved it.

    The way I see it, it was their usual 4 2 2 2, Edu holding and with the rest doing a lot of interchanging
     
  18. dcole

    dcole Member+

    May 27, 2005
    [LINEUP-4-4-2]Altidore, Gomez, Dempsey, Edu, Bradley, Donovan, Boca, Gooch, DeMerit, Dolo, Howard[/LINEUP-4-4-2]
     
  19. quitoamature

    quitoamature Member

    Sep 4, 2004
    New Orleans
    I would love the US play:

    Howard
    dolo JD Gooch C'los
    LD Benny MikeB Duece
    Herc Jozy

    however, moving LD up fornt with Holden or Beaz as the other winger would be great, and I doubt Bob will start Benny.

    Finally, could see Buddle instead of Herc to bang on Algeria's back line.
    Either way we start with 4-4-2.
     
  20. dcole

    dcole Member+

    May 27, 2005
    If we play without a destroyer, we will get crushed, just like in the first half against Slovenia. I can't remember the last time we played well against a decent team without a legit DMid. (In other words, either Edu or Clark MUST play. I prefer Edu.)
     
  21. Pragidealist

    Pragidealist Member+

    Mar 3, 2010
    I personally think his two goals on crosses, his ability to slide in the back for Gooch and his ability to reinforce our center D as a destroyer that has leaked two goals, has cemented his slot with Bradley. I could be wrong, but I would be quite surprised if he doesn't start.
     
  22. quitoamature

    quitoamature Member

    Sep 4, 2004
    New Orleans
    agreed,

    But besides the "goal" edu did not have a good half. but i'd still take him over clark.

    Also the last minutes of playing center back might have given edu some confidence to mix it up a little more.
     
  23. jamezyjamez

    jamezyjamez Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    i think edu should start as well. imagine, if we don't go through, how loud the cries of not consistently starting a partner for MB may be....
     
  24. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LD, Benny, MikeD, Deuce, and Herc. Sounds like a rap group.
     
  25. moytoy12

    moytoy12 Member

    Jun 20, 2008
    He had some nervy passes/touches early on, but was generally very solid after that.
     

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