[Argentine Futbol]

Originally Posted by scotch17

I'd clarify that's the League Cup winner, not the Japan champion or even Emperors Cup winner.
Not that I'm suggesting the other teams would have done better. Just being factual.

Well, that's make sense since. even better!!!

[DCU1996]

Originally Posted by NapoliSupporter

And yet the quality hasn't.

MLS at best will just be another feeder league, even 50 years down the road. Top players aren't going to want to come to the US because there's nothing at stake that can bring them footballing glory on a global scale. It would be like volunteering to play for a club that will never have a chance to play in big tournaments like the UEFA Champions League.

Anyway, wrong thread to discuss this...



No, they have promotion/relegation so its 2 divisions.

well, we'll see.. but I think MLS might come close to Bundesliga or French Leage.
There are still good players in lowever table EPL teams when the chance to make UEFA Champs League is slim to none.

There are lowever divisions in US, too. No pro/rel though.

Oh.. also, maybe CWC will get big.

[comme]

Sorry all to dredge this back up but I just had to put right a few of the factual inaccuracies of this post.

Originally Posted by The Antigua Ganja

Um....sorry, no. The British teams were the instigators and that is why they, Manchester, ended up having 3 players sent off. Nobby Stiles' animalistic marking of Eusebio was still fresh and the referee in the first leg of the IC had none of it.

David Sadler was just a loser that was trying to injure Veron for a good while during the game and George Best? Nothing more to say.

It was a case of a disgruntled team, highly favored to win that Cup, that simply couldn't do it on their home. That's all.

It seems that Nobby Stiles is a bete noire for the South Americans. For some reason they never could handle his style of play. That went back to the 1966 World Cup. Yet have you ever seen the 1968 European Cup final? There was nothing in that game that merited dismissal.

Originally Posted by The Antigua Ganja

So was Poletti, Manera and Suarez.

Just in case you think we don't punish our own, after the Milan match of 1969 our de-facto President ordered the general, both present during the return leg, to have the ENTIRE TEAM arrested.

The next day after the footage was analyzed, the players found out to be the most directly responsible for the 'events' were Alberto Poletti, Eduardo Manera y Ramon Suarez. All three of them were sent to jail in Devoto for three weeks and were immediately kicked out of the team. Poletti was banned from all football in Argentina for life.

So please...don't come to me with this provocation crap.

These players were banned when they lost! That tends to be the South American attitude. If you cheat and win, then it is acceptable. If you cheat and lose then it is not. This type of gamesmanship is the trademark of Uruguay and Argentina.

Originally Posted by The Antigua Ganja

Our entire team was spat on, thrown food at, and were being called "animals" as soon as we were entering the pitch. According to Zubeldia, our coaching staff didn't sat down FOR NEARLY THE ENTIRE GAME because your fans couldn't stop throwing shit on our bench.

That is complete cowardice from the animals that attended the return leg in Old Trafford. It was more like a zoo in there than a football stadium. Our fans received your teams with the utmost respect despite 1966 being around the corner.

Of course, none of them would have the balls to do it in Buenos Aires. That is the difference between our football mentality.

Again...a little, spoiled kid crying over something they started.

Any evidence for any of this stuff? Such as any photos? Or even credible match reports which mention it? Because I have never heard of any such actions from the Old Trafford crowd, not seen any indication of it in the highlights of the game that I have seen.

Originally Posted by The Antigua Ganja

No, sir.

Your players started it, out players finished it.

It was a shame what happened in 1969 but we, as an instutution, took care of the problem and the next year's IC went on without a hitch (save for the idiot wearing glasses during a football match...really! lol).

Went without a hitch? One of your players deliberately removed Joop van Daele's glasses and crushed them into the floor. That is going without a hitch? What world are you living in?

People might not wear glasses in the current game, but it was not completely uncommon in the 1960s. Jef Jurion, the great Belgian player, wore glasses his whole career.

That incident was part of what prompted Ajax to not take part the following year. That decision in turn killed the tournament. It was that decision also which gave South America the lead they now have. The 1971, 1973, 1974, 1977 and 1979 competitions are all void. That would take 4 victories from S America and 1 from Europe.

Originally Posted by The Antigua Ganja

I think I have already stated that there are many reasons for the withdrawal from the IC. Losing was definelty one of the strongest reasons and it became so clear now with an extremely modern example (Real Madrid's fiasco vs Alcorcon).

If you don't care, fine. No one is going to force you. But don't expect me to buy this bullshit about us killing a tournament we held in high regard when it was the spoiled and crying old continent that did...mainly the English and why? Because a small team (we were small then) ridicule you.

That example is garbage, just like the rest of your argument. Look, I get that you don't understand the reasons for Europe's withdrawal and don't want your own team to receive the blame, but that was what happened.

The Alcoron example doesn't work, because it's like Real Madrid losing two years in a row, then winning the Copa del Rey twice and then deciding to withdraw from the tournament.

Europe withdrew when they were winning, not losing. Note as well that S America were still willing to play even against Europe's runners up.

[Argentine Futbol]

So since this is the only Trophy that Barcelona has never won. Do they care? I just want to make sure before the Excuses start rolling in after the fact.

[DCU1996]

Originally Posted by Argentine Futbol

So since this is the only Trophy that Barcelona has never won. Do they care? I just want to make sure before the Excuses start rolling in after the fact.

one thing I predict is taht they'll field their best of the best A team for the matches.

[Argentine Futbol]

Originally Posted by DCU1996

one thing I predict is taht they'll field their best of the best A team for the matches.

haven't they always fielded their best? Very easy to look up, at least for me. I have every single one ever played recorded.