Classic Game Club- Italy v. Brazil 1982 WC

uamiranda · 07 Nov 2009, 05:47 PM

After a short reflection, I really don't blame Serginho. Yes, you all are right when you say he was the weakest link up front in that team and that he made terrible mistakes, but who really cared? We had the rest of the team to compensate (and the goalscoring player list says that).

Also, I don't think we had many alternative options available: Careca was injured; I don't know why Reinaldo was not called (if there was any reason); the only option was Roberto Dinamite. But let's not forget that Serginho was playing regularly for Brazil right before the WC and as I can remember, he was not that bad, he was a respected striker for São Paulo at that time.

comme · 07 Nov 2009, 06:06 PM

I've been watching some of the 1982 WC again recently and just to go back over this, Serginho was not the problem . If a team scores two goals in a game when they only need a draw they should not lose.

Serginho scored a couple of decent goals in the tournament. Look at France in 1998, Guivarch did not even score a single goal.

braine · 08 Nov 2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by uamiranda

Also, I don't think we had many alternative options available: Careca was injured; I don't know why Reinaldo was not called (if there was any reason); the only option was Roberto Dinamite. But let's not forget that Serginho was playing regularly for Brazil right before the WC and as I can remember, he was not that bad, he was a respected striker for São Paulo at that time.

I believe Reinaldo was injured as well. Roberto Dinamite has a fabulous goalscoringrecord in the Brasilian league,probably he was out of form or not loved by Santana coz he didnt even change him for Serginho but choose instead for mid Paulo Isidoro and put Socratres infront...(in the game Italy)

Seems Brasil have often times bad luck in the history of WC.

WC82 Zico-Careca
WC86 Careca-Zico
WC90 Careca-Romario
WC98 Ronaldo-Romario

the second name in the list above from the attacking (dream)couple was either injured or not yet fully recovered from a previous injury...

kingkong1 · 09 Nov 2009, 10:53 AM

It's fruitless trying to blame either Serginho, or Cerezzo, or the defense, or Perez or Telê.

What happened was a fatality against a highly motivated Italian team.

That's bound to happen with anybody in an eliminatory round.

Had Brazil tied Italy and we'd be 6 times WCs now.

Period.

celito · 09 Nov 2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kingkong1

It's fruitless trying to blame either Serginho, or Cerezzo, or the defense, or Perez or Telê.

What happened was a fatality against a highly motivated Italian team.

That's bound to happen with anybody in an eliminatory round.

Had Brazil tied Italy and we'd be 6 times WCs now.

Period.

Well ... unless another fatality would have happened in the semis ... or the finals ... period !

kingkong1 · 09 Nov 2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by celito

Well ... unless another fatality would have happened in the semis ... or the finals ... period !

Unless two lightning bolts fall in the same place that often ... period ! ...

celito · 10 Nov 2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kingkong1

It's fruitless trying to blame either Serginho, or Cerezzo, or the defense, or Perez or Telê.

What happened was a fatality against a highly motivated Italian team.

That's bound to happen with anybody in an eliminatory round.

Had Brazil tied Italy and we'd be 6 times WCs now.

Period.

Looking again at your statement ... seriously speaking ... I'd have to disagree. All of Italy's goals can really be attributed to bad coverage or screwup on the defense (2nd goal). The defense is definitely a big part of the blame.

kingkong1 · 10 Nov 2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by celito

Looking again at your statement ... seriously speaking ... I'd have to disagree. All of Italy's goals can really be attributed to bad coverage or screwup on the defense (2nd goal). The defense is definitely a big part of the blame.

So, Cerezzo nothing

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