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Old 30 Jul 2008, 02:31 PM   #131
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Ummm, thats not an outright denial. "I'm not sure that's the right move at this time" doesn't exactly slam the door shut on the issue...
Although calling Borghetti a "big ego" might...
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Old 30 Jul 2008, 02:32 PM   #132
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Here is an idea... Lets put Wingert on one wing and Findley on the other. The lineup would look like this:

GK: Rimando (he is keeping the spot even in my book)
DF: Joy Olave Borchers Russell
MD: Findley Beckerman Javi Wingert
FW: Espindola Dr.
Subs: Williams for Wingert, Dema for Beckerman or Javi, Beltran for Findley

This allows Russell and Wingert to exchange runs if one or the other is tired and not give anything up in the back.
Also allows Findley and Espindola to switch between wing and striker.
Allows Beckerman to be the holding mid he really is and making it possible for him and Javi to connect more.
I wish we had another friendly match to see this lineup in
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Old 30 Jul 2008, 03:15 PM   #133
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Here is an idea... Lets put Wingert on one wing and Findley on the other. The lineup would look like this:

GK: Rimando (he is keeping the spot even in my book)
DF: Joy Olave Borchers Russell
MD: Findley Beckerman Javi Wingert
FW: Espindola Dr.
Subs: Williams for Wingert, Dema for Beckerman or Javi, Beltran for Findley

This allows Russell and Wingert to exchange runs if one or the other is tired and not give anything up in the back.
Also allows Findley and Espindola to switch between wing and striker.
Allows Beckerman to be the holding mid he really is and making it possible for him and Javi to connect more.
I wish we had another friendly match to see this lineup in
I thought Findley was horrible in the U-23s as a winger. He isn't a guy that tries to pass people dribbling, and his cross is not close to par. His greatest strength is his open field pace, which may be good on the wing, but is more effective when you can get him behind the defense, where he can finish in the open field.

I was impressed with Kovalenko on the wing the last couple times, though. I think he offers more on the wing than as a D-Mid. He makes great runs up the wing (I remember 3 times in the first half of TFC game where his support on the wing opened up a lot of room), he has been able to put in some dangerous crosses in the box (inconsistent at times though), and lastly (and most important) he wasn't looking to shoot from 25 yards out like he usually does (and usually shanks the shot). But, the problem is when your only backup for d-mid is Cutler (damnit Sturgis).
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Old 30 Jul 2008, 03:25 PM   #134
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I took this picture of Cristiano Ronaldo when he was training with the team a few weeks back. I overheard someone say in the FO that we are looking at him for a DP...
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Old 30 Jul 2008, 03:33 PM   #135
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Here is an idea... Lets put Wingert on one wing and Findley on the other. The lineup would look like this:

GK: Rimando (he is keeping the spot even in my book)
DF: Joy Olave Borchers Russell
MD: Findley Beckerman Javi Wingert
FW: Espindola Dr.
Subs: Williams for Wingert, Dema for Beckerman or Javi, Beltran for Findley

This allows Russell and Wingert to exchange runs if one or the other is tired and not give anything up in the back.
Also allows Findley and Espindola to switch between wing and striker.
Allows Beckerman to be the holding mid he really is and making it possible for him and Javi to connect more.
I wish we had another friendly match to see this lineup in
Some good ideas though I don't see Findley playing on a wing. His ball control isn't up to par and his first touch would let him down but I cab see flipping Espy into that spot and letting Findley play up[ top with Doc. Espy likes to play the wing and his crosses have been pretty good. If not that why not try this sort of line.

Rimando


Joy-----------Olave--------------Borachers-----------Russel


Beckerman

Javi-------------------------Wingert


Espy

Findley--------------Doc

That might work a bit better but I wouldn't mind seeing your formation with the Espy Findley switch.
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Old 30 Jul 2008, 03:39 PM   #136
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Here is an idea... Lets put Wingert on one wing and Findley on the other. The lineup would look like this:

GK: Rimando (he is keeping the spot even in my book)
DF: Joy Olave Borchers Russell
MD: Findley Beckerman Javi Wingert
FW: Espindola Dr.
Subs: Williams for Wingert, Dema for Beckerman or Javi, Beltran for Findley

This allows Russell and Wingert to exchange runs if one or the other is tired and not give anything up in the back.
Also allows Findley and Espindola to switch between wing and striker.
Allows Beckerman to be the holding mid he really is and making it possible for him and Javi to connect more.
I wish we had another friendly match to see this lineup in
Others have had this thought as well...Novak re Findley and Clavijo re Beckerman...

Findley was widely and roundly criticised in Olympic qualifying for his efforts on the outside mid...basically the position doesn't fit his skill set as much as you would expect.

Beckerman got himself in the doghouse for the Crapids because he refused to play d-mid...he fashions himself as something like a #10, and Kreis has carved out a tweener position for him just to keep him happy.

So..other than that, I agree with your suggestions...
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Old 30 Jul 2008, 03:44 PM   #137
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Others have had this thought as well...Novak re Findley and Clavijo re Beckerman...

Findley was widely and roundly criticised in Olympic qualifying for his efforts on the outside mid...basically the position doesn't fit his skill set as much as you would expect.

Beckerman got himself in the doghouse for the Crapids because he refused to play d-mid...he fashions himself as something like a #10, and Kreis has carved out a tweener position for him just to keep him happy.

So..other than that, I agree with your suggestions...
I am wondering though with our amazing D and the lack of a true D-mid (cutler is like having nothing on the field if Beckerman couldn't drop back a bit (somewhat of a D-mid) but press foreward on attacks make like a small dimond formation in the mid.


-----------------------Beckerman--------------------
------------Morales-------------------Wingert-------
------------------------Espy----------------

Let Beckerman press foreward into a central role during attacking but fall back a bit during defense. Even if he wasn't a true D-mid I am sure he would be more effective than Cutler.Later if Dema subs in for Wingert or Espy pull up Beckerman and drop back Dema.

But you are right with Findley he needs to be up top running onto the ball. Not on a wing where he will have his skills (speed) wasted not running behind defenders.
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Old 30 Jul 2008, 03:45 PM   #138
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I took this picture of Cristiano Ronaldo when he was training with the team a few weeks back. I overheard someone say in the FO that we are looking at him for a DP...
That's weird...I didn't know there was an ocean in Lehi....
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Old 30 Jul 2008, 05:13 PM   #139
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I took this picture of Cristiano Ronaldo when he was training with the team a few weeks back. I overheard someone say in the FO that we are looking at him for a DP...
anyone with a tattoo this horrible should be shot
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Old 30 Jul 2008, 05:18 PM   #140
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ok, so the criticism is that Findley is not a wing and Beckerman is not a D-Mid. How then should we set this up? My second attempt...:
Rimando
Russel Olave Borchers Joy
Wingert Sturgis(Dema) Javi Beckerman Espy
Duechar

Subs: Findley for Beckerman or Duecahr, Williams for Espy, Beltran for whoever

I know I left Findley off, however I have always seen him as a great power sub anyways. This formation is different in that we would have two attacking mids and really allowing Javi to become a forward of Espy and Beckerman sliding back or to the wing. Just another though for a lineup.... Thoughts?
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