(NCR) Central Ohio fans won't be getting all 64 WC matches live and in HD

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  1. Nonesuch

    Nonesuch Member

    May 16, 1999
    Old Gridania
    I do. Our older TV was in its death spiral about two years ago, so we bought an HD-capable Sharp Aquos.
     
  2. HuntKop

    HuntKop Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 15, 2002
    Sulla mia Vespa
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Cool. Rather than a role call of those w/HD, I was just curious if anyone knew how prevalent these things are.
     
  3. fidlerre

    fidlerre Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    According to the cable guy who set up my HD the other day, by 2009 all TV's must be HD.
     
  4. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I talked to a guy at Best Buy not long ago who said that virtually every TV they sell over 21" is HD capable.
     
  5. HuntKop

    HuntKop Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 15, 2002
    Sulla mia Vespa
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Jaysus, seems like I'm out of the loop. Just asked my wife the same question and she gave me the same, "duh --- EVERYONE'S doing it" answer.

    I guess I should pick up some of those canvas Musberger shoes and succumb to my fogey-ness.
     
  6. HuntKop

    HuntKop Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 15, 2002
    Sulla mia Vespa
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Hmm.....or what will happen? I would think those of us who won't have HD by then will still be able to see the TV programs....but who knows.

    OR - maybe it's a new initiative from the government to push physical activity among the lower-income masses. Wait, they'll be the first ones to have HD.....never mind......;)
     
  7. jefbal99

    jefbal99 New Member

    Mar 9, 2006
    Lansing, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My fiancee bought us one Saturday morning :)
     
  8. jefbal99

    jefbal99 New Member

    Mar 9, 2006
    Lansing, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There was talk of convertor boxes to take a signal out of HD to SD. The switch was supposed to be in 2007, i think, but all the cable companies and local stations across bitched and got the date pushed back because of expenses in upgrading equipment.
     
  9. CrewSchmack

    CrewSchmack Member

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Mar 3, 1999
    Delaware, OH
    Not quite true.

    They must be digital.

    Actually, the mandate from the Gov't is that everything must be digital. RIght now anything over 24 or 25" must have an ATSC tuner

    I've got a digital 32" 4:3 TV. It contains an ATSC tuner, and can pull down HD broadcasts. It also has a QAM tuner which means if I plug my cable into the digital port it can decode unscrambled digital cable signals as well.

    However, It also pulls down digital broadcasts that are not HD. There are two channel 4s as an example. 4-1 is HD. 4-2 is NBC4 WeatherPlus , a 24 hour weather channel (80 on TWC Digital). It is in standard Def 4:3. WOSU broadcasts 34-1 (HD), 34-2, and 34-3 SD.

    When Channel 10 broadcast the NCAA BB touney, they turned off 10-1, and turned on 10-2, 10-3, 10-4 , and 10-5. All Digital channels, using all of the HD bandwidth to show all CBS feeds of the tourney....but in 4:3 Standard def.

    So to answer Hunt Kop, I think most people will purchase an HD set for their next TV. However, the 2nd TV doesn't have to be. It could be an SD set.
    The SD set would likely be 4:3. Sony is even making SD sets: http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...-Start?CategoryName=tv_27to32TVs&Dept=tvvideo
    I believe Walmart has a selection of Tubes that are SD. They can view HD signals, it just won't be as good of a picture.

    But regardless, you don't need an HD set, just need a TV with ATSC and a QAM tuner for the future.
     
  10. posty-mcpost

    posty-mcpost New Member

    Jul 13, 2005
    Columbus
    I have a 26" HD (with built in tuner) I bought almost 2 years ago for $660. It's a Sammy CRT and I have DirecTV. Since I bought mine 5 friends have jumped on board although some of them don't run HD signals.

    There is no mandate for stations for cable stations to switch to HD. This applies to broadcast only and is designed to eliminate use of the analog spectrum which the government will then resell. There are many cable stations which will never switch to HD.

    There is also no mandate for all TV's sold to be HD. What you are talking about is a digital tuner which will then receive digital broadcast signals or cable signals without the need for a set top box. Digital signals are not necessarily HD. Think about the extra channels WOSU has been running for an example. WTTE now runs a non HD digital sub-channel called The Tube. WCMH has their weather plus service on a digital sub. EDTVs(480p) which are not HD capable will be compatible with the new all digital system assuming they have a built in tuner.

    There are 4 currently used formats
    480i(interlaced) - standard old TV (analog)
    480p(progressive) - progressive scan DVD's, non HD widescreen (Fox Saturday baseball) (digital)
    720p - HD format chosen by ABC, ESPN, Fox (digital)
    1080i - HD format used by CBS, NBC and all the cable HD channels (digital)

    interlaced signals run at 30 fps, progressive run at 60 fps...so a 480p signal is exactly twice as sharp as a 480i signal. There is also a 1080p format which is debuting in higher end sets but currently has no use (unless the new HD-DVD's or Blu-Ray Discs are compatible).
     
  11. posty-mcpost

    posty-mcpost New Member

    Jul 13, 2005
    Columbus
    I tried to do this when I had TWC but it never worked.
     
  12. HuntKop

    HuntKop Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 15, 2002
    Sulla mia Vespa
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Thanks guys - great info!
     
  13. CrewSchmack

    CrewSchmack Member

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Mar 3, 1999
    Delaware, OH
    I left it for like 2 hours and it made it through all of the scrambled channels. it took a LONG time to do the scan.

    I had CBS on like 75-1, NBC on 75-2, something like that.

    I ended up just using the antenna because I wanted to be able to pull down ABC and Fox.

    Dirty secret for sports...if you have a 4:3 set, and hate the letterboxing, you can zoom in and won't lose anything. Every sports cast places its graphics inside the 4:3 box so they won't have to do a dual production.

    That might change in 3 years...but right now, you can zoom in and fill the screen.
     
  14. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why not take a moment today, while you're getting ready to NOT watch the US game in HD, and personally thank Time Warner's Executive VP for programming?

    You can send a note to

    fred.dressler@twcable.com

    While you're at it, you can congratulate him on Time Warner Cable's record setting profits from last quarter. I'm sure he gets a handsome bonus and his stock options certainly increased significantly on the strength of this wonderful news.
     
  15. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thought some of you might find this amusing, in a gallows humor kind of a way.

    I finally got a response to my many phone calls and emails to Mr. Dressler. Executive VP for Content at Time Warner Cable in Stamford, Conn. He wrote:


    So I sent a copy of his reply to John Skipper, ESPN Senior VP for Programming. His response:

    I replied (he is apparently in Germany at the moment) by asking whether his comment indicated that Mr Dressler was not telling the truth here.

    I had to admit to him that Mr Dressler, in fact, charges me "very dearly" for each and every service he provides.

    I forwarded Mr Skipper's response to Mr Dressler and asked for his comments.

    So far I have received no reply.
     
  16. HuntKop

    HuntKop Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 15, 2002
    Sulla mia Vespa
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Wow - what an interesting discourse. Nice job getting to the bottom of things, Mr. Archer. You don't always get such info in these matters.
     
  17. CrewSchmack

    CrewSchmack Member

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Mar 3, 1999
    Delaware, OH
    Bill, you need to start a blog just so this discourse gets picked up by the blog spiders out there. It would be brilliant to see it in a more "public" forum.
     
  18. jefbal99

    jefbal99 New Member

    Mar 9, 2006
    Lansing, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Agreed 100%, this is awesome and hilarious at the same time. A lowly local man takes on ESPN and Time Warner and takes them to task.

    Very impressive
     
  19. posty-mcpost

    posty-mcpost New Member

    Jul 13, 2005
    Columbus
    My only thought is that you and Mr. Skipper are right. ESPN2 HD charges a seperate fee which is negiotiated with each provider. If TWC is expecting it for free everyone might as well jump ship now. They are putting up a smokescreen for HD customers who they have not cared about or invested one drop in. Hope you enjoy VOD and digital phone services cause that's what they gave you instead of HD.
     
  20. jefbal99

    jefbal99 New Member

    Mar 9, 2006
    Lansing, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My letter to TWC, prolly won't help, but i always support the little guy and C-bus is definatly being wronged here

    edit in, glad i reread this before sending, it seems Bill Archer is closer to Akron...working on a reword/rewrite ;)
     
  21. jefbal99

    jefbal99 New Member

    Mar 9, 2006
    Lansing, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I actually got a reply from Dressler (kinda shocking based on the sarcastim tone of my first message)

    i sent back another reply pretty quickly

    Lets see waht BS gets dumped our way this time :)
     
  22. CrewSchmack

    CrewSchmack Member

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Mar 3, 1999
    Delaware, OH
    Two things:

    First...ESPN2 and ESPN2HD should NOT be separate services.

    Second...to use that as an arugment is bollocks.
     
  23. jefbal99

    jefbal99 New Member

    Mar 9, 2006
    Lansing, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That i disagree with, a standard broadcast and a HD broadcast are different services and I have no problem if ESPN asks for more money to produce a seperate feed for HD programming.
     
  24. jefbal99

    jefbal99 New Member

    Mar 9, 2006
    Lansing, MI
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I got another reply

    I'm working on my next reply
     
  25. jairadballerina

    jairadballerina Member+

    Sep 15, 2004
    C-Town
    While you have their attention...ask the age old question. Why must I pay for 80 channels I do not care about just to get one (FSC)?
     

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