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superdave
05 Mar 2004, 08:13 PM
You can look around the MLS boards for links if you want. Anyway, the only way this makes any sense at all is if ManCity has decided they can't afford all of the mids they have, and want to dump salary. And Macca decides he'd like life in the US.

So I'm looking for info to see how plausible this talk is.

M
05 Mar 2004, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by superdave
You can look around the MLS boards for links if you want. Anyway, the only way this makes any sense at all is if ManCity has decided they can't afford all of the mids they have, and want to dump salary. And Macca decides he'd like life in the US.

So I'm looking for info to see how plausible this talk is.

Or they think he's crap, which he has been this season.

footfetish
06 Mar 2004, 03:58 AM
Originally posted by M
Or they think he's crap, which he has been this season.

in fairness, the entire team hasn't been all that hot... including reyna.

Matt Clark
06 Mar 2004, 06:30 AM
I can definitely see him being up for a stint in the States.

But not yet ... by a complete miracle, he has landed at a club that has matched his Real Madrid wages. He is 32, it's his last big contract and he will not walk out on that for a maximum salary of $250,000 (am I correct in saying MLS has that sort of figure as it's cap?).

I can see him doing this in 2006 when his contract runs out at City, unless he is dumped by them prior to that with a suitable payoff.

babytiger2001
06 Mar 2004, 06:37 AM
Originally posted by Matt Clark
I can definitely see him being up for a stint in the States.

But not yet ... by a complete miracle, he has landed at a club that has matched his Real Madrid wages. He is 32, it's his last big contract and he will not walk out on that for a maximum salary of $250,000 (am I correct in saying MLS has that sort of figure as it's cap?).

The top salaries in MLS are a bit higher than that, Matt. But even at a reported $300-350K (US), you're correct in it being far below his wages at Man City or Real Madrid.

Not sure what's being projected for him in his on-field role at Man City next season, that could be quite telling in what's being runoured now about his current contract situation. But one thing he will get in MLS, barring injury, is nearly-guaranteed first-eleven football.

I'm sure he'll evaluate the possible trade-off and see if that's a viable option for him.

Otherwise, I agree with you that seeing him there a couple of years down the road might be the more realistic scenario.

TAKK
06 Mar 2004, 07:26 AM
He barely moves now. Can you imagine how pathetic he would be in the heat, and with MLS style not allowing him to have much time on the ball. He would dissappear. Would be a dreadfull signing. Just terrible. At least Herzog can pass! What this guy actually contributes is beyond me?

sendorange
06 Mar 2004, 08:14 AM
Macca is still class, but looks completely lacking in motivation at City, which I can understand. Must be some culture shock to go from Liverpool to Real Madrid, but then drop all the way down to Man City. A move to being a big fish in a smaller pond would be interesting, but I would be very surprised if it happened now.

superdave
06 Mar 2004, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by Matt Clark
He is 32, it's his last big contract and he will not walk out on that for a maximum salary of $250,000 (am I correct in saying MLS has that sort of figure as it's cap?).
A small handful of players make over the official max. salary of $270,000. With McBride going to Fulham, that might have reduced the number by 1/4. But a few players make more. It's just that only that max. figure counts against the team's salary cap.

Macca will probably get over the cap, but I doubt he'll get over $400,000.

And TAKK...MLS is my league, and I love it for that, but my love doesn't blind me to the fact that the marking and pressing isn't as intense as in the EPL. How could it be? The EPL is the fastest league in the world, even its detractors acknowledge that!!!! In particular, it can be easy to move the ball through the midfield in MLS. So he might really flourish here.

Matt Clark
06 Mar 2004, 06:33 PM
Well, I don't want to pull wank rank, because that's ... well, wank, but I went to Uni with Macca's wife Victoria - we did our Linguistics classes together - so I can guarantee that the feller would love a stint somewhere groovy in the States (you want my personal view, he's a New York kind of a chap). And he is of course a very, very rich 32-year old. He never has to work again. Especially considering that Victoria is a lawyer. So there is some reason in the idea that he may just sack the struggle that is keeping City in the Premiership up off and decide to skill it in MLS (where, just by the by, he would cause havoc). But overall, I will stick with my original prognosis - a couple more years in England, then the US.

K.P.
06 Mar 2004, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by Matt Clark
And he is of course a very, very rich 32-year old. He never has to work again. Especially considering that Victoria is a lawyer.

Is that a joke?

jri
06 Mar 2004, 07:13 PM
I think Macca would be worth giving 300k-350k now for a couple years.......take it or leave

He's at a good enough level, and enough experience, that he's valuable for the younger players. If he's serious, he'd be one of the better players in the league.

In a couple years, no thank you. He'll suck. He may even suck if/when they bring him now (unless he has right attitude). We've seen what half-ass Euros accomplish here- not much. (The heat, physicality, and higher-than-expected level play cruel tricks on those who's heart aren't in it)

All the more mindboggling why Herzog was signed by LA. What a poor pick....

TAKK
06 Mar 2004, 08:19 PM
>And TAKK...MLS is my league, and I love it for that, but my love doesn't blind me to the fact that the marking and pressing isn't as intense as in the EPL. How could it be? The EPL is the fastest league in the world, even its detractors acknowledge that!!!! In particular, it can be easy to move the ball through the midfield in MLS. So he might really flourish here. <

You're right. I just think he sucks. That's it. Rage is blind, and the guy just sucks. Good call out. I deserved that.

BackOtheNet!
06 Mar 2004, 08:45 PM
In all fairness City have had some serious bad luck this season and at times have been utter crap and other times have played very well. Finishing has been a problem but even worse was the goalkeeping and defence in the first half of the season. Still for the life of them they can't get a break. Macca has ridden the pine more than anybody thought, but I don't believe he'll be coming here.

superdave
06 Mar 2004, 08:49 PM
FYI, the rumor is, in fact, that he'll go to the MetroStars.

Originally posted by Matt Clark
(where, just by the by, he would cause havoc).

Wow, after all of this time, we found Ty Keough's moniker.

nicephoras
06 Mar 2004, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by K.P.
Is that a joke?

You clearly don't know how much lawyers can make.

K.P.
06 Mar 2004, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by nicephoras
You clearly don't know how much lawyers can make.


As a law student, I'm pretty well aware. But can you imagine someone who played for Real Madrid saying something like "Given that I only have a few years left in my career, I wasn't sure that I could afford the kind of pay cut necessary to go to the Metros. But since my wife Victoria works, I realized I really don't have to work another day -- ever!"

I can't.

nicephoras
07 Mar 2004, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by K.P.
As a law student, I'm pretty well aware. But can you imagine someone who played for Real Madrid saying something like "Given that I only have a few years left in my career, I wasn't sure that I could afford the kind of pay cut necessary to go to the Metros. But since my wife Victoria works, I realized I really don't have to work another day -- ever!"

I can't.

I know many partners at British firms. Even for a Real player, the money they make is quite significant. All of them make more than the top salary of an MLS player.

Matt Clark
07 Mar 2004, 05:17 AM
It's truly amazing, the legs an inconsequential throw-away remark can have on Bigsoccer. ;)

OK - IF McManaman invested all his money, every last penny, in the La Manga Abstinence Fund tomorrow and suffered the predictable consequences next time Leicester City are in town, he would still be alright for a few bob, courtesy of the missus.

M'kaaaay?

I still don't think he will come to MLS before his £60k a week at City runs out.

voros
07 Mar 2004, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by Matt Clark
I still don't think he will come to MLS before his £60k a week at City runs out.
There is one thing:

The Metrostars GM made a remark about a month ago that with the system of allocations and such in place, that he could probably pay a player close to, if not over, a million dollars this year. Apparently the base salary is lower, but a system of bonuses, endorsements and money from other sources could jack that figure up considerably

So its not as much as Man City, but it would still be substantial, and then there's the possible added benefits of being in the States depending on his disposition (how badly he wants to get away from the press and have something resembling a normal life).

It seems possible, but I'm not sure I like it from MLS' point of view

sendorange
07 Mar 2004, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by voros
and then there's the possible added benefits of being in the States depending on his disposition (how badly he wants to get away from the press and have something resembling a normal life).
Yeah, because Macca is just besieged by paparazzi and journalists everywhere he goes in Europe??