Reports name Bonds, Giambi, Shefield as Steroid users

[SoccerScout]

The latest news confirms all the talk about Bonds, Giambi, and Sheffield being steroid users.

How will the spin this? Already you hear Agents saying they never took it "knowingly". Wow, the balls they have.

Which will come out an apologize and be a man about it?

How will this affect them in the game, in history, in the HR race?

Questions questions questions.

[DoctorJones24]

I'd say those three may have just lost their chance to get in the Hall of Fame.

Also a huge asterick now placed beside Bonds' HR record. (McGwire and Sosa's as well, IMO.)

Think about what a scumbag McGwire is. He cheats to break the record, and then goes through the whole facade of embracing Maris' family on national TV...yuck.

[skipshady]

FWIW:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1748786
The newspaper stated that its information did not "explicitly state" that the athletes used the steroids after obtaining them

[SoccerScout]

The newspaper stated that its information did not "explicitly state" that the athletes used the steroids after obtaining them

Yeah OK... when you go to the store and buy Milk, do you take it home and drink it?

[skipshady]

Originally posted by SoccerScout
Yeah OK... when you go to the store and buy Milk, do you take it home and drink it? You seem to have trouble understanding the qualifier "for what it's worth". Reading is fundamental.

Still (and again, FWIW), at this point, it's only a report based on anonymous sources (though presumably reliable ones) and you have to take these reports with more than a few grains of salt. Also FWIW, they haven't said whether they explicitly asked for the steroids or received them unsolicited. At the risk of coming off as naive, I'm going to reserve judgement until the Feds actually come out and nail the players. There's always time to act the Chicken Little later.

[Motterman]

Originally posted by skipshady
FWIW:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1748786
The newspaper stated that its information did not "explicitly state" that the athletes used the steroids after obtaining them

Ahhh... the old "yeah, but I didn't inject (inhale)" defence.

[655321]

They found a calendar with players names written on it several times in a pattern that would seem to indicate when they need to take certain substances.

Bonds name is written ONCE on it.

Lawyers for him AND the trainers have both explicity stated that Barry Bonds did not participate in steroid taking. They said he was offered them and turned them down.

[SoccerScout]

Lawyers for him AND the trainers have both explicity stated that Barry Bonds did not participate in steroid taking. They said he was offered them and turned them down.



OH stop the presses....if LAWYERS SAID IS it has TO BE TRUE!

[amerifolklegend]

Originally posted by SoccerScout
Yeah OK... when you go to the store and buy Milk, do you take it home and drink it?

More importantly, can you prove I drank it?

[655321]

Originally posted by SoccerScout
OH stop the presses....if LAWYERS SAID IS it has TO BE TRUE!

The same logic could be used about the press, no??

So what's you're f'ing point??

People WANT Bonds to be guilty, so the press will spin anything to make a story that appears that way. Let's see what happens before we start asking them to "be men and admit it".

[skipshady]

Originally posted by Motterman
Ahhh... the old "yeah, but I didn't inject (inhale)" defence. So let me get this right:
"I voluntarily put the lit joint on my lips and drew in, but I did not inhale the smoke into my lung" is equivalent to "I signed for the FedEx package containing steroids, solicited or otherwise, but I did not actually inject said steroids"?

Interesting logic.

[DoctorJones24]

Originally posted by 655321
The same logic could be used about the press, no??

So what's you're f'ing point??

People WANT Bonds to be guilty, so the press will spin anything to make a story that appears that way. Let's see what happens before we start asking them to "be men and admit it".

Jesus F-ing Christ, come off it. Bonds is more blatantly guilty than OJ, and the evidence has been obvious to anyone without your homer glasses for years! The guys freakin' head has expanded...by a LOT. This latest reveleation is merely allowing people to say what they've known for some time.

I've said it again, the most honest two people so far in this whole steroids saga have been...wait....Jose Canseco and Ken Caminiti. Basic math and logic tell us that their estimates of 50% of bb players being on roids are quite likely VERY close to the truth.

As a Red Sox fan, it's tough to swallow, but I'm convinced Nomar and Manny are on them, and probably Nixon, Ortiz, and Varitek. I'm pretty sure my boy Wakefield is clean though :)

[SoccerScout]

There are about what...900 Pro MLB players? Lets make a low ball esimate that between 5%-10% take steriods (thats really lowball). That would mean that at least 45 to 90 MLB players take steroids. This goes far beyond Bonds, McGuire, Giambi and Sheffield. There are dozens of other players that take them.

Baseball should be ashamed to allow this.

For 80 years only 2 men hit over 60 homers, few even came close. Then all of a sudden in a 2-3 year span big, bulky buffed up guys BLEW away that record 4 times and after each played in the Bigs for over a decade. Yeah OK, they were never on Roids.

[Motterman]

I wonder how many home runs Babe Ruth would've hit had he been on the juice?

Or Ted Williams?

[655321]

We're just going to have to wait and see what happens.

I must admit, though, that it pains me waaaay more to see Santiago's name thrown around in this.

[TheSlipperyOne]

Originally posted by SoccerScout
Yeah OK... when you go to the store and buy Milk, do you take it home and drink it?

Being a bachelor I can definitely state that I went to the store, bought some milk, took it home and have yet to drink it. It has been sitting in my fridge for aproximately a month and a half so I doubt it will ever get drunk.

[BlueMeanie]

Originally posted by DoctorJones24
Jesus F-ing Christ, come off it. Bonds is more blatantly guilty than OJ, and the evidence has been obvious to anyone without your homer glasses for years! The guys freakin' head has expanded...by a LOT. This latest reveleation is merely allowing people to say what they've known for some time.
No, it's allowing people to say what they've suspected for some time. Though I do agree about Barry's magically growing head, which is likely courtesy of the HGH he allegedly (wink-wink, nudge-nudge) took as a masking agent.

Same things happened with McGwire, too. He was a tall, skinny dude when he started on the A's. His head also changed shape.
Originally posted by 655321
We're just going to have to wait and see what happens.
Well, for one, lots of drunks are going to yell, "BALCO!" at players this season. Hopefully, those players will yell, "LOUDMOUTH ALCOHOLICS!" back at the fans. ;)
I must admit, though, that it pains me waaaay more to see Santiago's name thrown around in this.
Why? He's another one like Bonds who looked like a suspect. Compare how he looked earlier in his career to now (and he's over 40). He's way more ripped.

The one I was surprised about was Marvin Benard. They sure weren't "performance enhancing" drugs for him.

[CHICO13]

This is a huge blackeye for MLB and MLB has no one to blame but MLB. This is a problem that reared its ugly head years ago and the suits who run the show chose to bury their heads in the sand and hoped it would go away. Well now in todays media crazy (especially in sports) landscape there is no hiding. People are going to dig and dig and dig until every possible piece of dirt is uncovered. This affects the game in so many different ways that it truly boggles the mind. It could go from something as severe as expulsions and suspensions to stat altering to a crash in the memorabilia market. How would you like to be the poor schlub who paid millions for Mark McGuires ball now? I hope Bud Selig and the rest of the muppets who run the show hit this head on before it gets truly worse.

Somewhere Roger Marris is smiling.......

[CHICO13]

Originally posted by Motterman
I wonder how many home runs Babe Ruth would've hit had he been on the juice?

The Babe did it on Beer and Hotdogs :D

[TheSlipperyOne]

Originally posted by CHICO13
I hope Bud Selig and the rest of the muppets who run the show hit this head on before it gets truly worse.


At this point there is nothing Selig or MLB can do. It's all on the players and them demanding their union to make changes.