Robson Out! Robson Out!

[Alec]

What are everyone's opinions on the grand old man himself, Sir Robert Robson?

I won't go over old ground here, but NUFC haven't played really well since they beat Leeds Utd in February of last year. Our lack of consistency has been awful.

I want rid of a man who has wasted huge sums of money in the transfer market, has lost any man management skills he once had, is tactically naive, won't accept any criticism at all, and fails to accept that others (like the Directors, Shareholders, Season Ticket holders, Fans etc) are entitled to an opinion on the state of the Club.

I don't wish him any ill, but at the same time if he doesn't retire soon, he's going to be regarded as a joke, and that's very sad for someone with such a proud past record.

Whilst Bobby is telling us to remember where NUFC were when he took over 4 years ago, I'd like to point out that it those 4 years, he hasn't got us back to the point we were at, 2 years before he joined - genuine Championship contenders, Cup finalists and regular EPL Runners up. A level or two higher than he's got us!

[Frank Cunha]

Long leave Bobby Robson, a classy guy

[Toon³]

lol newbies.

Yes i agree that we have played poorly this season however we are still 4th.

He has wasted transfer money?
Woodgate, Bellamy, Robert, Viana, Bramble, Jenas, Bernard, Ambrose, Bridges. All quality players and not one of them is near 30.
Yes he's had a few bad buys most notably Cort but i'm certain if he hadn't had so many injurys he'd have been a quality player.

Man Management skills? How many times has a Newcastle player been in the papers this year? The rape alligations? one word. Innocent.

I am a Shareholder, a season ticket holder and most of all a FAN. We know that he's doing a great job and we don't want tossers like you coming along and telling us that our manager is past it? Who do you support? We didn't boo the manger at halftime on saturday be booed the players because we know they can do better.

SO WHY DON'T YOU AND YOUR FCUKING STUPID SUGESTIONS JUST FCUK OFF TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM

[Alec]

Little worked up there, aren't you mate? For the record, I'm a Geordie though and through. I just think the "elderly statesman" is ruining my club.

The evidence:

1) He constantly plays people out of position - eg Hughes, Speed, Viana, Bowyer etc

2) He said we had money to spend, chased a variety of players (Emerton, Kleberson etc), and then let them sign for other Clubs.
12 players we've been linked with in the past, moved Clubs last Summer - only one (Bowyer), to NUFC. Some moved on Frees and others went out on Loan, and a number would've filled vital gaps in our team. Most, went to teams that you'd regard as inferior to us. Does Bobby really think Danny Mills prefers Boro to NUFC, and that we have better defenders already? Why wasn't he straight in for him? Zenden also joined Boro on loan in August. I know he'd not set the EPL alight at Chelsea, but it's only a couple of years ago, we bid £8,000,000 for him!

He said he was waiting for Champions League qualification, before spending the dosh. Well, even if we'd qualified, that only left 4 days to the deadline - cutting it fine to say the least!

He reckons he knows where we need strengthening, but he's done nothing about it. A Striker to replace Shearer long term, or a back up for Bellamy? How about a couple of decent Full Backs or another quality Centre Back? No, we'll buy some more Midfielders...

3) We have a large number of Midfield players, only one of which is left sided - Robert.Our only decent right sided one was Solano - and look where he's gone. So what we really have, is a Manager who's spent huge sums of money buying the same kind of players - centre midfield.

He spent £8,500,000 on Viana, and he keeps telling us he's a bargain. But do we need him when we already have Dyer, Jenas, Ambrose, McClen, Kerr, Gavlian, Bowyer, Speed and Acuna in the centre? Granted he's better than some on that list, but he's also nowhere near as good as others. He's slow, can't beat a man, seems to have little vision and finds it hard to hit a ball cleanly at pace. Also, after less than 6 months at the Club, the 19 year old was threatening to leave unless he was guaranteed 1st Team Football! So he's got an over inflated opinion of himself and an attitude problem...

4) He seems to fall out with players on a regular basis - Solano, Lua Lua, Bellamy, Robert, Viana etc. Some he welcomes back with open arms (Viana), others he publicly criticises (Solano, Lua Lua) and then plays them irregularly before (in the case of Solano) hounding them out of the club.

5) Kevin Keegan said some years ago, that Football was a 13/14 man game now. Sir Bobby has famously made some inspired 2/3 man substitutions. He doesn't do it often enough though. When all can see that we need fresh legs and/or ideas, he waits until it's too late for the subs to have an impact, and then brings them on...

6) Whilst he and Fat Freddie Shepard spent last Summer swanning around the World, telling everyone NUFC are a World force in Football, setting up deals for Casinos, brokering movie roles for the Club, arranging links with Chinese clubs etc etc, the likes of Man U and Arsenal were quietly getting on with the job of making sure they remain a force in World Football. Someone needs to sort out the priorities. Surely even the biggest half whit know that if you get it right on the field, the rest follows? Obviously not...

7) Tactically, either Bobby or John Carver, or both, don't seem to have a clue at times. We try 3 at the back when we all know we haven't the players to play that formation. But most of the time now, we just play the same old way, and other teams are ready for us - defend deep and just about anyone can beat us, so it seems... Where's the variation?

9) Possibly the most damming evidence of all, is he no longer seems able to inspire the Team. Where are the pre Match and Half Time talks that made the less able players of previous Seasons want to run their hearts out for the Club? Maybe at his age, he's tired. I know at mine, I am, of seeing problems that can easily be sorted.

[rokstedy]

What?! Before Sir Bobby came on, we were in midtable mediocrity. With Robson, we've improved to top 5 finishes the past 2 years and made it to CL and UEFA. As this season progresses, so does the club. We were midtable and now we've caught up to Charlton Athletic at 4th place. We may not have gotten players from this last transfer window but probably because he did not see anyone that was worthy or affordable. I think he's doing fine.

[Alec]

Originally posted by Alec
Whilst Bobby is telling us to remember where NUFC were when he took over 4 years ago, I'd like to point out that it those 4 years, he hasn't got us back to the point we were at, 2 years before he joined - genuine Championship contenders, Cup finalists and regular EPL Runners up. A level or two higher than he's got us!

[geordienation]

Man, it sucks being fourth in the table when we're being outspent by the 3 teams above us.

:rolleyes:


You're a moron. Get back in your hole, troll.

[Fat Dutchman]

Originally posted by geordienation
Man, it sucks being fourth in the table when we're being outspent by the 3 teams above us.

:rolleyes:


You're a moron. Get back in your hole, troll.



It's quite petty Geordienation, to label him a troll when he comes on and has a pretty fair list of reasons as to why he feels that SBR should be out as the club manager. In fact I happen to agree with quite a few of the points. That's not to say I want SBR out, however. If he would have come on and said "SBR sucks, I want him out" without listing any reasons, I would say sure, call him a troll. But he came on and laid out an extensive list of reasons. But, it's unfair to call him the "t" word just because you happen to like SBR at the helm and he doesn't.

[Alec]

I was hoping for a bit of reasoned discussion. I wasn't expecting everyone to agree with me - I know a lot of people feel very strongly he should stay. I'd like to discuss why, is all.

Cheers to Dutch for having the courtesy to disagree politely and reasonably.

[geordienation]

Originally posted by Fat Dutchman
It's quite petty Geordienation, to label him a troll when he comes on and has a pretty fair list of reasons as to why he feels that SBR should be out as the club manager. In fact I happen to agree with quite a few of the points. That's not to say I want SBR out, however. If he would have come on and said "SBR sucks, I want him out" without listing any reasons, I would say sure, call him a troll. But he came on and laid out an extensive list of reasons. But, it's unfair to call him the "t" word just because you happen to like SBR at the helm and he doesn't.

1) Alright, maybe going straight to "troll" was a bit much, but my patience for Robson critics with zero posts is pretty limited.

2) Given the level of spending from the top three in the league, especially Chelsea, fourth place is not exactly chicken feed.

3) Two words: Ruud Gullit. That should be all the perspective anyone needs.

4) ANY manager in the league can be nitpicked for man management or tactical reasons. The proof is in the results. I'm comfortable with where we've been the last few years.


Sorry, Bobby can coach this team 'til he keels over as far as I'm concerned. His track record and his success at the club have given him that right.

[Toon³]

1) Last time I checked Hughes was a rightback and Speed was a central midfielder?

2)Mills? I wouldn't pay 10p for that thug and who says we bid £8million for him? The papers, don't make me laugh. Emerton? Blackburn are fighting relegation with his footballing genius, and kleberson looks like a second rate Gilberto.

3)We don't need any fullbacks or centreback. If you hadn't noticed we have the best defence at home and since the Chelsea game we have had the 3rd best defence.

4)Bridges is cover for Bellamy. We need a replacement for Shearer everyone knows that and Bobby has said that he will be buying someone in the summer.

5)Graeme Souness spent the first season of his Liverpool carrer in the reserves, because his manager said he wasn't ready for first team action yet. Viana has come from playing Portugese football all his life and is now being told to play a totally different type of game. Last season he played in the Champions League on a regular basis because of the european style of play. He needs time to ajust his game. At 19 he has 15 years left in him and next year we will see why we payed 8.5million. Also Ambrose is a right winger, kerr is crap, so is mcklen, gavilan is crap and in mexico and we let Acuna go about 6 months ago.

6) WE ARE 4TH! I would be perfectly happy to finish 4th this season. There is no way we were going to get into the top 3 without somesort of Superhuman effort. 4th is good for how little we have spent compared to the teams around us, most notably Liverpool.

7)I seem to remember Man U spending most of the pre-season arsing around in America and Japan telling them just how great they are and Arsenal we to busy financing their new stadium to buy anyone. Chelsea were the only people to focus on team building and that was only because they have a billionare.

8) When this season have we played three at the back? once against liverpool for the last 15 mins when he brought nobby on. You say the tactics don't work yet we are 4th?

You seem to be focusing to strongly on the negatives and they happen to be very minor negatives. The fact is the we are in the 3rd round of the UEFA cup and in 4th position in the league. And that is pretty good. You say we are not back to the level that we were. I have to say that the Premiership has come on leaps and bounds since 95/96. The team we have now would not only beat the 95/96 newcastle but also the 95/96 Man U team.

[CrewToon]

It's too bad the club can't rid itself of Fat Freddy...

...regardless of how Alec feels at the moment, it is hard to fathom Wor Bobby being in charge in about 5 more years, maybe even 3.

On the other hand, Dogleash or the aloof Dutchman could still be in charge.

[Fat Dutchman]

I would like to get the discussion going again about this topic. I'm not saying I want Bobby out, but after some of the recent Premiership results, there have been plenty out there saying he has lost the plot.

So, I would especially like to hear from those who think that SBR is infallible and knows infinitely more than we could ever imagine. I have a couple of questions to pose as well:

1)Why is Hughie Viana not playing more? He certainly should be given a runout in favour of either Jenas or Speed, who both seem to lumber about in the midfield.

2)If Sunday's match against Bolton is not a game that is suited for Viana(as SBR asserted), when is there such a match?

3)Why does Lee Bowyer bother putting on the shirt?? Why doesn't he just get injured again and spend an extraordinarily long time getting healthy. He's been terrible in his 18 appearances this season and the performance on Sunday shows that he really doesn't give a toss about anything other than his fat paycheck.

4)Why doesn't Bobby take some responsibility for the performances on the pitch? Sure, I know he's not the one out there playing, but he's assembled a lot of the men on the pitch and they are simply not producing. He's got to wake up a bit and realize the men he sticks with week-in and week-out are simply not getting it done and change it up a bit.

[Fat Dutchman]

And here's one more question:

5)Why was Solano sold?? And for such a low price?? I believe we got 1.5 million for him...quite a steal for Villa who are now right on our arses in the table. Ambrose has shown little and I've already expressed how I feel about Mr. Bowyer.

[CrewToon]

I still don't get the axing of Nobby, either. As mentioned somewhere else, Bowyer should be let go at the end of the season. Many other players still have their work cut out. And I would like to see some more of Taylor, at his proper position.

[Fat Dutchman]

I still don't get the axing of Nobby, either. As mentioned somewhere else, Bowyer should be let go at the end of the season. Many other players still have their work cut out. And I would like to see some more of Taylor, at his proper position.

I too would like to see Taylor partner Woodgate in central defense. I think he could learn a lot from Woody. He's got loads of talent and is definitely as good as Bungle or O'Brien. The only real problem I see is his lack of experience at the top level.

[Trackman20]

Nobby was more concerned with his country side which had no chance in Haiti of making an international competition and he is hurt now so who cares.

[Montréal United]

The real title of this thread should be "Bowyer out! Bowyer out!"... what a waste of time and money...

I'm not giving up on this side even though they seem to miss the magic flow of the last few years. With a complete set of staters, our team is pretty good. Missing Woodgate, Bellamy and Dyer sure didn't help.

Hopefully, SBR will be able to find a few good players to plug the holes we have this summer.

Here's what I'd like to see this summer:

Out: Bowyer and Bridges
In: cover for right back, right wing and defensive midfielder

[rokstedy]

With the signing of Bowyer, release of Nobby & sticking with Bramble, I do wonder what's going on in the SBR's head. I'm not calling for his head unless we totally collapse. I remain optimistic that we'll finish in the top 4 & make it to the UEFA Cup final despite the circumstances (just a gut feeling).

[Fat Dutchman]

Nobby was more concerned with his country side which had no chance in Haiti of making an international competition and he is hurt now so who cares.

If you really think that Nobby was more concerned about playing for his country than the club, then you really haven't got a clue. He was a committed servant to the club and saying otherwise is quite idiotic. [Sarcasm]Oh god no, he wanted to represent his country, so let's ship our best crosser of the ball to a team close to us in the table for a paltry sum. :rolleyes: