Einmal Löwe--Immer Löwe (TSV 1860 München Official Thread 08/09 IV [R]

[LoewenBoy]

If they can't get a "big name" right away and Stuttgart continues to do well, sure they'll go after Babbel.

Him or Klopp. I have no doubt in my mind.
I though Ancellotti wanted to go to Bayern? No? Or is the thema "italian coaches" a non-starter at Bayern?
YouTube - Trapattoni - subtitled

[footyfan1]

I though Ancellotti wanted to go to Bayern? No? Or is the thema "italian coaches" a non-starter at Bayern?
YouTube - Trapattoni - subtitled (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqp64q7kHmw)


Who told you that crap?? If Ancelotti leaves Milan, he's going to Chelsea.


If Bayern gets an Italian coach, it'll be Roberto Mancini.

[LoewenBoy]

Who told you that crap?? If Ancelotti leaves Milan, he's going to Chelsea.
Two Italian reports last week had him stating that Bayern was an attractive side and he could imagine himself working there. Was widely reported here. How serious was he? Who know? Most likely one of those "if I had to list the clubs I like" remarks.

Older report here (http://www.tribalfootball.com/chelsea-bayern-munich-keeping-tabs-ac-milan-coach-ancelotti-232288).

[footyfan1]

Two Italian reports last week had him stating that Bayern was an attractive side and he could imagine himself working there. Was widely reported here. How serious was he? Who know? Most likely one of those "if I had to list the clubs I like" remarks.

Older report here (http://www.tribalfootball.com/chelsea-bayern-munich-keeping-tabs-ac-milan-coach-ancelotti-232288).


TribalFootball.com is all I need to know. Think "Bild" on bad street crack and you have TribalFootball.com.

I don't doubt that Bayern might be interested in Ancelotti and his name might be on the list, but right now, Chelsea's got first dibs on him if they can't get Hiddink to stay, which he's already told them several times, he will not.

It's like when "Bild" asked Luca Toni how he would react to an Italian coach at Bayern.

He answered the question and the next day's headlines read, "Luca Toni Wants Roberto Mancini At Bayern....."

[LoewenBoy]

Found this....must share....
YouTube - Ajax Amsterdam Girl 2009

[LoewenBoy]

TribalFootball.com is all I need to know. Think "Bild" on bad street crack and you have TribalFootball.com.
The tribal link was just the one I found quick...there were two others from the Italian press. My guess his comments are a red herring meant to keep people offguard....bad attempt though it may be.

[City Dave]

Found this....must share....
YouTube - Ajax Amsterdam Girl 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFLBmUIj2Zk)
Dude, that's beyond creepy.

[panicfc]

so what's going on around here?

[LoewenBoy]

so what's going on around here?
Draw. Bad game. No news.

Oh, Lars Bender is rumored heading to Nerverkusen this summer....again.

[footyfan1]

The tribal link was just the one I found quick...there were two others from the Italian press. My guess his comments are a red herring meant to keep people offguard....bad attempt though it may be.


Dude, come on. You know the Italian press is just as bad as the English press.

I'm not saying Bayern isn't interested, but most of the "reports" are nothing but speculation based on the response to a question which wasn't, "Would you like to coach Bayern Munich?"

Possible? Yes. As possible as some of the speculation makes it out to be? Hell no.

I get the feeling Ancelotti is going where the action is.

I get the feeling he's going to England. Whether it be with Chelsea or Man City, I think he's going to wind up in England.

I know a name I won't mention on the Bayern boards, but I think is one they really should consider.

Sven-Goran Eriksson

Dude, what about these rumors with Sechzig and Ewald Lienen???

[footyfan1]

Oh, Lars Bender is rumored heading to Nerverkusen this summer....again.


What would he do there? Back up Rolfes???

[footyfan1]

Sechzig's resident football operations genius, Micky Stevic, says in this Kicker article (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/startseite/artikel/507905) that Lars Bender will not leave 1860 before 2010, when Leverkusen can take advantage of the 2M Euro buy-out clause in Bender's contract.

I think it'd be smarter to sell him after this season while they can still reasonably ask 3-4M Euros for him.

http://mediadb.kicker.de/news/1000/1020/1100/4000/artikel/707914/bender_lars_pokal-1240915195_zoom73_crop_400x300_400x300+132+11.jpg


I think by keeping him, Stevic is potentially betting 2M Euro that 1860 can win promotion next season.

I don't see it man. But I guess he still does.

I guess he's forgetting he's also going to have at least two teams out of the following clubs to deal with next season:

KSC
Gladbach
Cottbus
Bielefeld
Bochum

Not to mention the teams who are already better than Sechzig who probably won't win promotion and will likely improve.

I'm thinking of:

GF
FCN
Aachen
FCK
Duisburg

Unless Stevic finds a gay Russian billionaire he's willing to bare his ass for, I don't see Sechzig getting by these teams next season.

Not with this current team and even if they keep Lars and Rukavina.......

[LoewenBoy]

On Bender, what I don't get is I did not think you could "sign" anyone to anything until their contract was up. Stevic, Bender and Neverkusen are acting like Neverkusen has "dibs" on Lars. Stevic's own comments (http://www.eyep.tv/beitrag/2-bundesliga/video/lars-bender-bleibt-loewe-bis-ende-2010.html) are a bit telling in this area: "I am very thankful that Bayern Leverkusen and Lars Bender have brought us a good solution to this problem." Reading this quote on transfermarkt.de makes we wonder who is calling the shots. Neverkusn is talking like they are "allowing" Bender to stay in Muenchen next season.:mad::mad: F- them! We have his ass until 2010, then he can go for $2m. Fact.

I know we have him under contract until 2012 with the buyout possible next season, so realistically he is only signed through 2010 if we want to get anything for him. But how Neverkusen has already "got him" is beyond me.

[footyfan1]

On Bender, what I don't get is I did not think you could "sign" anyone to anything until their contract was up. Stevic, Bender and Neverkusen are acting like Neverkusen has "dibs" on Lars. Stevic's own comments are a bit telling in this area: "I am very thankful that Bayer Leverkusen and Lars Bender have brought us a good solution to this problem."

Reading this quote on transfermarkt.de makes we wonder who is calling the shots. Neverkusn is talking like they are "allowing" Bender to stay in Muenchen next season. F- them! We have his ass until 2010, then he can go for $2m. Fact. :mad:


Garry, that might not be "fact." Remember back when Kicker reported all of this and I told you the Benders might be lying and they might have already agreed to join Leverkusen?

It looks me like they were lying just as I said and that takes away any leverage 1860 had.

Plus, this looks like they've done a deal that includes Bayer loaning Lars back to 1860. This would include 1860 getting paid after this season instead of after the 2010 season.

That would also explain Leverkusen's speaking as if they were in control of the situation.

They may have spoken that way because they were in control of the situation.

The article says neither club would confirm that there is already some kind of pre-contract or deal.

I'll bet there is.



I know we have him under contract until 2012 with the buyout possible next season, so realistically he is only signed through 2010 if we want to get anything for him. But how Neverkusen has already "got him" is beyond me.

Again Garry, I don't think you "know" anything.

Read the article. It is fairly obvious the two clubs have already agreed to some kind of a deal. Neither club will say so, but again, it seems they have done a transfer deal effective at the end of this season, but loans Lars back to Sechzig for next season.

I think something like this will come out at the end of the season. This might explain why Sechzig are "smug" about keeping their license for next season and as we said above, would explain why Leverkusen spoke as if they controlled the situation.

Again, I think the Benders lied through their f#cking teeth in January and they'd already agreed that Lars would join Bayer when he could get out of his contract with 1860.

I think that left things to 1860 and Bayer to work out.

Is this "legal" anywhere else? No. But it is in Germany if the two clubs agree.

How can this be? Thank BayScum.

Remember how I used always rant about how the DFB RETROACTIVELY changed transfer rules to basically legalize tampering in Germany so they wouldn't have to punish BayScum for paying off Kehl and Deisler not to re-sign with their clubs and to join BayScum on free transfers when their contracts were done??

This is a result of that. Most clubs adhere to an "unwritten protocol" to work under the old rules, but two clubs who are known to break from that "protocol" are BayScum and Bayer.

Remember, two or three years ago, Bayer tried to go as far as signing Patrick Helmes to a contract more than a year before his Koln contract expired because Koln would not agree to let Helmes go before the end of his contract with Koln.

The DFB nixed that contract, but Helmes kept his promise and signed with Bayer as soon as he was legally able to.

In this case, I wouldn't be mad at Bayer. I think they got the family's word back in January. I'll bet Stevic went to them and begged to do a deal now, but one that would involve Lars being loaned back to Sechzig.

I'll bet all this comes out either after the season or just before it is over. I think they just don't want to tell anyone right now. I think they are really afraid of how the fan base will react.

[panicfc]

How did 1860 get their license for 2009-10? I wonder if Aspirin money was the difference.

[LoewenBoy]

Garry, that might not be "fact." Remember back when Kicker reported all of this and I told you the Benders might be lying and they might have already agreed to join Leverkusen?
It is not possible to sign a contract for anything when you are under a contract. So I don't know how Leverkusen can have anything concrete other than a promise.

Plus, this looks like they've done a deal that includes Bayer loaning Lars back to 1860. This would include 1860 getting paid after this season instead of after the 2010 season.
The ONLY way for that to happen is in a back-room deal done by Stevic NOW. So, seems Stevic has been lying and has been dealign with Leverkusen to sell Bender and then get him back on a loan...all under the table. THAT is the ONLY way Leverkusen could be calling the shots.


That would also explain Leverkusen's speaking as if they were in control of the situation.
Yup. But that means Stevic has done a backroom deal. Asshole.

I think something like this will come out at the end of the season. This might explain why Sechzig are "smug" about keeping their license for next season and as we said above, would explain why Leverkusen spoke as if they controlled the situation.How did 1860 get their license for 2009-10? I wonder if Aspirin money was the difference.
And why 1860 has not released their financials yet like they have ALWAYS done in the past. I'll bet there is a non-disclosure agreement in place between 1860, Leverkusen and the DFL not allowing them to disclose this deal just yet.

[footyfan1]

It is not possible to sign a contract for anything when you are under a contract. So I don't know how Leverkusen can have anything concrete other than a promise.

Garry, I meant they had a deal. I never said they signed a contract.

And as far as signing a contract when you are under a contract, of course that can be done.

It's called a "pre-contract". It's done all the time, but usually once you are within a year of the end of your contract. However, thanks to the buyout clause, Lars technically was within that year back in January.


The "pre-contract" simply takes affect at the end of the current one.




The ONLY way for that to happen is in a back-room deal done by Stevic NOW. So, seems Stevic has been lying and has been dealign with Leverkusen to sell Bender and then get him back on a loan...all under the table. THAT is the ONLY way Leverkusen could be calling the shots.


Yup. But that means Stevic has done a backroom deal. Asshole.


It would mean Stevic AND THE BENDERS lied. This isn't all on Stevic.



And why 1860 has not released their financials yet like they have ALWAYS done in the past. I'll bet there is a non-disclosure agreement in place between 1860, Leverkusen and the DFL not allowing them to disclose this deal just yet.

Totally agree with you here.

[footyfan1]

This "Bild.de" article (http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/zweite-liga/2009/04/29/1860-muenchen/loewen-sorgenkind-pourie-sagt-sorry.html) says Fraülein Pourie has apologized.

However, she didn't apologize for the bust-up with Torben, but just for having left the training session.

[LoewenBoy]

Garry, I meant they had a deal. I never said they signed a contract. And as far as signing a contract when you are under a contract, of course that can be done. It's called a "pre-contract". It's done all the time
Undrstood, but ONLY witht he knowledge of both clubs, no?

t would mean Stevic AND THE BENDERS lied. This isn't all on Stevic.
Well, I can only find the Bender's quoated as saying "I plan to play out my contract". Nothing like Stevic said stating vehemently that there were no plans for the Benders to go leave the club. Two different stories.

This "Bild.de" article (http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/zweite-liga/2009/04/29/1860-muenchen/loewen-sorgenkind-pourie-sagt-sorry.html) says Fraülein Pourie has apologized. However, she didn't apologize for the bust-up with Torben, but just for having left the training session.
I cannot imagine Wolf taking him back. If he does that would be showing weakness in the face of a half-hearted apology. Frankly, Pourie has not added much from what I have seen. Nothing the Fetch could not handle.

http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/zweite-liga/2009/04/29/1860-muenchen/pourie-pruegelei-12094699-mfbq,templateId=renderScaled,property=Bild,width=227.jpg

[footyfan1]

Undrstood, but ONLY witht he knowledge of both clubs, no?

No. The losing club doesn't need to know a thing about it. They just accept the check.

But again, I didn't say they SIGNED anything back in January. I think they made an agreement that Lars would join Leverkusen whenever he could get away from Sechzig.

Not a contract, but a "gentlemen's agreement."


Well, I can only find the Bender's quoated as saying "I plan to play out my contract". Nothing like Stevic said stating vehemently that there were no plans for the Benders to go leave the club. Two different stories.


And both liars.




I cannot imagine Wolf taking him back. If he does that would be showing weakness in the face of a half-hearted apology. Frankly, Pourie has not added much from what I have seen. Nothing the Fetch could not handle.

http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/zweite-liga/2009/04/29/1860-muenchen/pourie-pruegelei-12094699-mfbq,templateId=renderScaled,property=Bild,width=227.jpg


Maybe with a twist of the arm from Stevic......

Like I told you before, one way or another, this kid is probably going to suit up for Sechzig next season.

I'll bet his daddy did go to Schalke and ask them to find a way to void the loan deal.

And I'll bet Schalke told daddy dearest that he was wrong for pulling his little Fraülein off the training field and to get their asses back to Munich.