DC United - Nottingham Forest, July 14

[fgn]

http://www.nottinghamforest.premiumtv.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10308~486103,00.html?

You have to sign up for that link, here's a little bit:

"After flying out of Manchester Airport on July 9, Forest will face Major League outfit D.C. United on July 14, followed by 'A' League side Richmond Kickers on July 16 and the University of Richmond three days later."

[Red&Black]

good maybe we can stone them or something to pay them back for destroying bennie's ankle. they owe us two year's of a topflight wing player...

[Sandon Mibut]

Originally posted by fgn
http://www.nottinghamforest.premiumtv.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10308~486103,00.html?

You have to sign up for that link, here's a little bit:

"After flying out of Manchester Airport on July 9, Forest will face Major League outfit D.C. United on July 14, followed by 'A' League side Richmond Kickers on July 16 and the University of Richmond three days later." The pattern of their opponents is very similar to the pattern the club has been on of late. Start high and keep going lower.

I hope United isn't going to try and market this game as big deal. Right now, Forest is in the drop zone of the first division which means there's a very good chance they'll be a third-tier side by the time this game is played. The Champions Tour, this ain't and it's not exactly sporting of United to charge full-value price for tickets to an exhibition featuring a really bad team.

[onefineesq]

Another Wednesday night game ..... YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!! Count me in on this one. I am looking forward to seeing us go in and give them a good preseason lesson! LOL These games are usually good to bring friends to and introduce them to the game, because generally they are more wide open. I better mark this one down on my calendar! :)

[GoDC]

Originally posted by Red&Black
good maybe we can stone them or something to pay them back for destroying bennie's ankle. they owe us two year's of a topflight wing player...

I'm not thinking they are the ones to blame for Ben's injury. They wanted to sign him, remember??

[EnglishFan]

The gap between DC United and Richmond isn't as great as you would like to think it is.

Anyway, I imagine the choice of opponents has something to do with Forest's shirt sponsor rather than quality of opposition.

[McOwen]

Originally posted by EnglishFan
The gap between DC United and Richmond isn't as great as you would like to think it is.


But it's still a nice size GAP. How many other teams (that you actually play) are that close to United?

well see ya in the Open Cup...

in the mean time, enjoy the A-LEAGUE :D

[beagles3]

Originally posted by fgn
http://www.nottinghamforest.premiumtv.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10308~486103,00.html?

"After flying out of Manchester Airport on July 9, Forest will face Major League outfit D.C. United on July 14, followed by 'A' League side Richmond Kickers on July 16 and the University of Richmond three days later."


The University of Richmond will not be in session in July. Could they be referring to the Richmond Kickers PDL team?

[EnglishFan]

Originally posted by McOwen
in the mean time, enjoy the A-LEAGUE :D

Oh, I do - very much in fact.

When I moved to the States one of my first important decisions was to decide which pro-team to support. I've never regretted my decision, I love the Richmond Kickers and have certainly adopted them as my own.

[EnglishFan]

Originally posted by beagles3
The University of Richmond will not be in session in July. Could they be referring to the Richmond Kickers PDL team?

I believe, since the University is providing accommodation for Forest - part of the deal is that they will scrimmage the Spiders before they leave.

[beagles3]

That is interesting to hear. I would've thought that the strict NCAA guidelines concerning out-of-season activity would prevent this type of match. Would love to see it happen.

[gunner_21]

After Forest's strong push toward promotion last season I wouldn't have minded seeing this match-up, but as relegation battlers now it's not nearly as appealing to me.

[Red&Black]

Originally posted by GoDC
I'm not thinking they are the ones to blame for Ben's injury. They wanted to sign him, remember??
gotta blame somebody ;)

[Sundevil9]

Originally posted by beagles3
That is interesting to hear. I would've thought that the strict NCAA guidelines concerning out-of-season activity would prevent this type of match. Would love to see it happen.

United plays Maryland, American and Virginia quite frequently.

Stoichkov broke that kid's leg in an MLS preseason match (late March, early April) against a full AU squad.

[beagles3]

That's correct. But the DC United games are played either during the Spring semester when NCAA teams are allowed to participate in a limited number of events (ex: AU and UVA scrimmages) or during the fall college season as exhibition matches (ex: Maryland). Once the Spring semester ends, I don't believe that NCAA teams are allowed to have organized activity until a pre-established date in August, something like 15-20 days before the official start of the season.

This restriction is one of the reasons why the PDL continues to increase the number of teams. It provides an outlet for a limited number of players from the same college team to play together in the college off-season while retaining their college eligibility.

Maybe Richmond has sought and received a waiver from the NCAA.

[greatscott]

yeah maybe ill get to see forest like 7 times in a row.
im excited

[owendylan]

just as an FYI here are th NCAA bylaws governing soccer and everything related to it. If you can figure it out be my guest but I couldn't really.

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17.19.1 Length of Playing Season. The length of an institution’s playing season in soccer shall be limited
to a 132-day season, which may consist of two segments (each consisting of consecutive days) and which may exclude only required off days per Bylaw 17.1.5.4 and official vacation, holiday and final-examination periods during which no practice or competition shall occur. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97)
17.19.2 Preseason Practice. A member institution shall not commence practice sessions in soccer
prior to the date that permits a maximum of 21 units (see Bylaw 17.02.11) prior to the first scheduled intercollegiate contest. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/14/03)
17.19.3 First Contest or Date of Competition. A member institution shall not play its first contest or
engage in its first date of competition (game) with outside competition in soccer prior to the following
d a t e s :
( a ) Women’s Soccer—The Friday prior to the 11th weekend prior to the start of the NCAA Division I
Women’s Soccer Championship, except that an alumni contest may be played the previous weekend.
For purposes of this legislation, a weekend includes Fridays after the conclusion of the institution’s
regular classes. (See Bylaw 17.19.5.1.1 for scrimmage/exhibition games exception). (Adopted: 4/20/99
effective 8/1/99)
( b ) Men’s Soccer—September 1 or the preceding Friday if September 1 falls on a Saturday, Sunday or
Monday, except that an alumni contest may be played the weekend prior to September 1 when
September 1 does not fall on a Saturday, Sunday or Monday as provided in Bylaw 17.19.5.1.1.
(Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91, 1/16/93 effective 8/1/93, 1/10/95 effective 8/1/95, 1/10/96 effective 8/1/96, 1/24/96 effective 8/1/96, 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97, 4/20/99 effective 8/1/99)
17.19.4 End of Regular Playing Season. A member institution shall conclude all practice and competition (games and scrimmages) in the sport of soccer by the last date of final exams for the regular academic year at the institution. (Revised: 1/14/97 effective 8/1/97)
17.19.5 Number of Contests and Dates of Competition
17.19.5.1 Maximum Limitations—Institutional. A member institution shall limit its total playing
schedule with outside competition in the sport of soccer during the institution’s soccer playing season
in any one year to 20 contests during the segment in which the NCAA championship is conducted
and five dates of competition during another segment, except for those contests and/or
dates of competition excluded under Bylaws 17.19.5.3, 17.19.5.4 and 17.19.5.5. (Revised:1/10/91 effective 8/1/91)
17.19.5.1.1 Scrimmages/Exhibition Games. A member institution may play up to three soccer
scrimmages or exhibition games (which shall not count toward the institution’s won-lost record) prior to the first scheduled contest during a particular academic year, provided such
scrimmages or exhibition games are conducted during the institution’s declared playing season
per Bylaw 17.19.1 and are counted against the maximum number of contests. ( R e v i s e d :
1/10/92 effective 8/1/92, 1/16/93 effective 8/1/93)
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17.19.5.1.2 In-Season Foreign Competition. A member institution may play one or more of
its countable contests in soccer in one or more foreign countries on one trip during the prescribed
playing season. However, except for contests played in Canada and Mexico or on a certified
foreign tour (see Bylaw 17.31), the institution may not engage in such in-season foreign
competition more than once every four years.
17.19.5.2 Maximum Limitations—Student-Athlete. An individual student-athlete may participate
in each academic year in not more than 20 soccer contests during the segment in which the NCAA
championship is conducted and five dates of competition in soccer during another segment. This
limitation includes those contests in which the student represents the institution in accordance
with Bylaw 17.02.8, including competition as a member of the varsity, junior varsity or freshman
team of the institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91)
17.19.5.3 Annual Exemptions. The maximum number of soccer contests and dates of competition
shall exclude the following (see Figure 17-20): (Revised: 2/24/03 )
( a ) Conference Championship. Competition in one conference championship tournament in soccer
(or the tournament used to determine the conference’s automatic entry in an NCAA soccer championship) ;
( b ) Conference Playoff. Competition involving member institutions that tie for a conference soccer
championship. Such teams may participate in a single-elimination playoff to determine the conference’s automatic entry in an NCAA soccer championship without the game(s) being counted as
a regular-season contest or postseason tournament;
( c ) Season-Ending Tournaments
( 1 ) NCAA Championship. Competition in the NCAA Division I Soccer Championship; ( R e v i s e d :
1/9/96 effective 8/1/96)
( 2 ) NAIA Championship. Competition in the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics
(NAIA) soccer championship;
( d ) NCAA Championship Play-In Competition. Competition in play-in contests conducted before
NCAA championships;
( e ) Alumni Game. One soccer contest or date of competition each year against an alumni team of the institution;
( f ) Foreign Team in U.S. One soccer contest or date of competition each year with a foreign opponent in the United States;
( g ) Hawaii or Alaska. Any soccer games played in Hawaii or Alaska, respectively, against an active
Division I member institution located in Hawaii or Alaska, by a member located outside the area
in question; (Adopted: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96)
( h ) Fund-Raising Activity. Any soccer activities in which student-athletes from more than one of the
institution’s athletics teams participate with and against alumni and friends of the institution,
the purpose of which is to raise funds for the benefit of an institution’s athletics or other programs, provided the student-athletes do not miss classes as a result of their participation (see
Bylaw 12.5.1.1);
( i ) Celebrity Sports Activity. Competition involving a limit of two student-athletes from a member
institution’s soccer team who participate in local celebrity soccer activities conducted for the purpose of raising funds for charitable organizations, provided:
( 1 ) The student-athletes do not miss classes as a result of the participation;
( 2 ) The involvement of the student-athletes has the approval of the institution’s athletics director;
and
( 3 ) The activity takes place within a 30-mile radius of the institution’s main campus.
( j ) U.S. National Team. One contest or date of competition played against the U.S. national team as selected and designated by the appropriate national governing body for soccer (e.g., “Under-21”
U.S. national team). (Adopted: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96, Revised: 9/6/00)
17.19.5.4 Once-in-Four-Years Exemptions—Certification Required. An institution may exempt
not more than one of the certified once-in-four-years exemptions from its maximum number of contests during any academic year and may not repeat participation in that event within a four-year
period. The contest must be certified by the Championships/Competition Cabinet pursuant to
Bylaw 30.10.4 (see Bylaw 17.19.5.5). (Adopted: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96)
17.19.5.5 Once-in-Four-Years Exemptions—Certification Not Required—Foreign Tour. An institution may exempt the contests played on a foreign tour, provided the tour is conducted by the
member institution in accordance with the procedures set forth in Bylaw 30.7 (also see Bylaw
117.31). An institution may not use this exemption in the same year that it uses an exemption set
forth in Bylaw 17.19.5.4. (Adopted: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96)
17.19.6 Out-of-Season Athletically Related Activities. Student-athletes and members of the coaching staff shall not engage in countable athletically related activities outside the institution’s declared playing season per Bylaw 17.19.1 except as permitted in Bylaws 17.1.5.2 and 17.1.5.2.2. (Revised: 1/10/91
effective 8/1/91)
17.19.6.1 Summer Practice. Soccer practice that is organized or financially supported by a member
institution shall be prohibited during the summer unless specifically authorized in the bylaws
(e.g., foreign tour) or through official interpretations approved by the Management Council.
17.19.7 Camps and Clinics. There are no limits on the number of student-athletes in soccer who may
be employed (e.g., as counselors) in camps or clinics (see Bylaw 13.13). Currently enrolled student-athletes may not participate as campers in their institution’s camps or clinics. (Revised: 1/10/92, 1/11/94)
17.19.8 Other Restrictions
17.19.8.1 Noncollegiate, Amateur Competition
17.19.8.1.1 During Academic Year. A student-athlete in soccer who participates during the
academic year as a member of any outside soccer team in any noncollegiate, amateur competition
(e.g., tournament play, exhibition games or other activity) except while representing the
institution in intercollegiate soccer competition shall be ineligible for intercollegiate soccer
competition for the remainder of the year and for the next academic year (see Bylaw 14.7.3 for
exceptions and waivers). (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91, 1/16/93)
17.19.8.1.1.1 Vacation-Period Exception. A student-athlete may compete outside of the
institution’s declared playing and practice season as a member of an outside team in any
noncollegiate, amateur competition during any official vacation period published in the
institution’s catalog. The number of student-athletes from any one institution shall not
exceed five. (Adopted: 1/11/94 effective 8/1/94, Revised 10/31/02)
17.19.8.1.1.2 May 1 Exception. A student-athlete in the sport of soccer may compete outside
of an institution’s declared playing and practice season as a member of an outside
team in any noncollegiate amateur competition, provided: (Adopted: 1/14/97 effective
8/1/97)
( a ) Such participation occurs no earlier than May 1;
( b ) The number of student-athletes from any one institution does not exceed five; ( R e v i s e d :
1 0 / 3 1 / 0 2 )
( c ) The competition is approved by the institution’s director of athletics; and
( d ) No class time is missed for practice activities or for competition.
17.19.8.1.2 Out of Season. A member institution may permit not more than five student-athletes
with eligibility remaining in intercollegiate soccer to practice or compete out of season on an outside,
amateur soccer team (competition on an outside team permitted only during the summer,
except as provided in Bylaw 17.19.8.1.1.1). (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/91, 10/31/02)
17.19.8.1.2.1 Involvement of Coaching Staff. No member of the coaching staff of a member
institution may be involved in any capacity (e.g., coach, official, player or league/team
administrator) at any time (i.e., during the academic year, vacation periods and summer)
with an outside team that involves any student-athlete with eligibility remaining from the
institution’s soccer team except as provided under Bylaws 14.7.3 and 17.31.
17.19.8.1.2.2 Olympic and National Team Development Program. There are no limits on
the number of student-athletes from the same institution who may participate in Olympic
and national team development programs. Such programs may also include a coach and
student-athlete from the same institution, provided:
( a ) The national governing body (NGB) conducts and administers the developmental prog
r a m ;
( b ) The NGB selects coaches involved in the developmental program; and
( c ) The NGB or the selected coaches select the involved participants. (Revised: 2/21/02 )
17.19.8.2 Equipment Issue, Squad Pictures. It shall be permissible to designate a single date for
issuing equipment and for taking squad pictures following the beginning of classes in the fall term
or the day prior to the beginning of a segment as specified in Bylaw 17.19.2. (Revised: 1/11/89)
17.19.8.2.1 Exception for Sundays. If the day prior to the beginning of a segment is a
Sunday, the member institution may designate the preceding Saturday for issuing equipment
and taking squad pictures. (Adopted: 1/11/89)

[Sachin]

If I tried to follow all of that to the letter, I think I would commit at least one moral and possibly two venal, sins.

And I'm not a Christian.

That was for Vicar.

Sachin

[Lowecifer]

You see, Title IX is ruining potential opportunities for young men to compete against Nottingham Forest.

(just my opinions)

[seahawkdad]

Nonsense. It's big-time college football that is ruining potential opportunities for young men to compete against Nottingham Forest.

That and Julie Foudy.