VfB Stuttgart - Pushing for Europe, 08/09 Season Thread Part III (R)

[footyfan1]

Dreamy and romantic thought. Agent's suck.

Yeah, I know a few myself. But in this case, I choose to believe what I feel is likely over your version of events.

Everyone else can make up his or her own mind.

Frankly, I think Ba would be better off staying in Hoffenheim, but no one could blame him for wanting to take a CL shot now.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

So... other news is Barnetta could be coming closer to joining us... BILD today with some Blabla report on how Magnin being Swiss could inspire Barnetta to come here... that bit is BS, but the bigger picture of Barnetta joining is looking a strong possibility.

Helt has also come out and say he has told Hoeness that he wants to buy Niedermeier and Niedermeier has said he wants to stay here. I support this! He's impressed me in the few games he's been used in this season, was very mature and solid considering he had practially 0 1. BL experience, he's also still very young. I could see him developing into a very good centreback so i'll be pleased if we secure a permanent move for him.

[footyfan1]

Nah, it's not because of the hattrick. Obviously that made an impression but i'm aware that he isn't the world's greatest finisher.

But he is good, imo one of those strikers who doesn't only play well by scoring. In games where he doesn't score, he still tends to put in a good performance from what i've seen.

Out of the players we've been linked with, I guess a few are better. Helmes - he doesn't want to come. Gignac - am 99% certain we could never get him. Love - heard the rumours but nothing concrete.

And then the next rumours are players like Voronin who would no help us in my opinion. So out of the strikers we've been rumoured with, he's the best one imo who I also can realistically see joining. But maybe we can do better. But one thing I don't want is to go all summer not getting a striker and then buying a Marica last-minute for a crazy amount only for him to play badly for two years. It would be nice to get a first big-name early on in the window.

Plus Ba would not take away all our budget, others would follow him still.

I don't know, if I heard now that Helmes or Gignac wanted to join, i'd say 'OK forget about Ba, let's go for these guys!' but i don't see that happening, and Ba is a good player.


Dude, I think you're being a tad bit impatient. If Ba truly wants to come to VfB, he'll wait. And it isn't a given that Hoffenheim will sell him just because he says (or his agent says) he wants to go.

Rangnick will tell a player to "STFU and play." That's one of the things I like about Rangnick.

I wouldn't jump so fast at Ba. There's a long transfer period ahead of us.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

I know it's not a given, I said that to Berloha as well. The only thing that seems a given is (unless he's got the dumbest agent on the planet) that he wants to join.

But yeah, I am impatient. Can you blame me though?? This club lost it's best ever player 3 days after the season ended. Not to mention i've seen transfer summers drag out time and time again and that usually means some rushed sub-standard buys towards the end of the summer. I really don't want that to happen this year.

So I guess I am being too impatient, but I can't help it.

[footyfan1]

So... other news is Barnetta could be coming closer to joining us... BILD today with some Blabla report on how Magnin being Swiss could inspire Barnetta to come here... that bit is BS, but the bigger picture of Barnetta joining is looking a strong possibility.

Now if you get that kid, I'll be impressed. I think he's stagnated at Bayer and needs a new challenge.

I think he has the potential to be one of the best attacking midfield wingers in the Bundesliga. Hell, he was last season, but I don't know what the hell happened to him this season.

My guess is that Labbadia didn't have a f'in clue as to how to get him going.


Helt has also come out and say he has told Hoeness that he wants to buy Niedermeier and Niedermeier has said he wants to stay here. I support this! He's impressed me in the few games he's been used in this season, was very mature and solid considering he had practially 0 1. BL experience, he's also still very young. I could see him developing into a very good centreback so i'll be pleased if we secure a permanent move for him.

It will depend on how Bayern sees Niedermeier's future with them. When I checked with people on why Bayern sold Mats Hummels to Dortmund, I was told Bayern allowed Hummels to move to Dortmund permanently because they felt Niedermeier would step right into Hummels' future position.

If this is true, I don't see Bayern selling Niedermeier to you guys. I think you're potentially looking at another "Lahm Situation......" :o

[footyfan1]

I know it's not a given, I said that to Berloha as well. The only thing that seems a given is (unless he's got the dumbest agent on the planet) that he wants to join.

But yeah, I am impatient. Can you blame me though?? This club lost it's best ever player 3 days after the season ended. Not to mention i've seen transfer summers drag out time and time again and that usually means some rushed sub-standard buys towards the end of the summer. I really don't want that to happen this year.

So I guess I am being too impatient, but I can't help it.


I guess I've been through more of these than you. And having covered them in the past, you get to learn some things from the business side of the house.

But again, try to be patient man. I know it is easier said than done. You guys have enough to offer the better strikers who might become available in the next week or two.

You'll have a cash infusion with the Gomez deal and you're in the 3rd round of CL Qualifying.

If Heldt is patient enough himself and has learned from his past mistakes, you guys won't wind up with another Marica.

[Kirsten19]

What's the plan on Manuel Fischer next season? IS he still being loaned to Koblenz?

Is Stuttgart going to make domestic players core of the team (e.g. Lehamnn, Tasci, Niedermeier,Trasch, Hilbert, Hitzlsperger, Lanig, Gebhart, Khedira, Cacau(!!) ) ? Is Babbel tend to prefer domestic players to foreigners?

Anyone know how Babbel rated the youngsters?

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

What's the plan on Manuel Fischer next season? IS he still being loaned to Koblenz?


Nope, he's back at VfB

Is Stuttgart going to make domestic players core of the team (e.g. Lehamnn, Tasci, Niedermeier,Trasch, Hilbert, Hitzlsperger, Lanig, Gebhart, Khedira, Cacau(!!) ) ?

Well, all depends how good the domestic players are playing obviously. There's no preference at VfB based on whether they are German or not. But from your list:
Lehmann: Obviously is number 1 choice
Tasci: Definitely in first team, was our best defender this season
Niedermeier: Seen more as a future talent, he is our number 4 choice centreback at the moment
Traesch: Seems like he has a fair chance of making the rightback spot his own if he continues to develop.
Hilbert: Starter for 3 seasons now, but has been mediocre for honestly a year and a half now. It is possible that a new buy such as Barnetta (or Hleb...) could force him to the bench.
Hitzlsperger: He's the captain and played a good season, he's always gonna be a likely starter.
Lanig: More the perfect substitute. Doesn't excel anywhere but can be used anywhere in midfield, at any position. Unlikely to become a solid starter, but he's a good squad player to have.
Gebhart: Over the long run we've obviously got big plans for Gebhart. His half season with us so far has shown to me that he has lots of talent and, inevitably, still lots to learn. May not be a permanent starter next season, but almost definitely will become one in the long run.
Khedira: Our best midfieler this season arguably. He's a starter.
Cacau: Dunno yet, if we buy two very good strikers he could move to the bench, but if we only buy one he will be a likely starter. Either way, many strikers have come and gone since Cacau arrived (Kuranyi, Szabics, Tomasson, Ljuboja, Streller, Lauth, Radu ( :p ), Gomez, Marica, Ewerthon) an he has consistently fought into a starting spot. So his odds are always good.


Is Babbel tend to prefer domestic players to foreigners?

Anyone know how Babbel rated the youngsters?

No preference to domestic or foreign players I would hope, we are not Arsenal but we also are not Athletic Bilbao.

Well, he obviously rates Schieber since he consistently gives him minutes. Fischer was loaned out so less sure about him. Rudy is one to watch, and other VfB II players like Didavi could also figure somewhere in the future plans.

[Equilibrium]

Pick and choose anyone??

Other quotes by me:
'Essentially, by buying him we would've replaced the best German striker with the second best German striker'

So, ignoring the fact that even in your quoted post I did not say he is better than Gomez, once again you clearly just picked out stuff to suit your side, rather than looking at my real position. But naturally being yourself you don't take the last quote I made, but rather whichever one fits your argument.

You know what's an epic fail?? It is making a long rant comment on a joke video without watching it because you thought it was serious. I guess I could've started throwing around 'epic fail', 'sour grapes' comments there, but guess I was foolish enough not to be a total dick about it. Pathetic.
I'm actually trying my hardest not to be d!ck because there has been constant posts in here with you saying silly things, but I didn't since you are pissed about the Gomez transfer (which I understand). You stated there that he is not in the same level as Mario Gomez, and I stated a quote where you stated that you don't believe Helmes is worse than Gomez, basically completely contradicting yourself. I'm trying to be nice here, my tone wouldn't be so sweet if the Gomez ordeal hadn't happened and I'm basically in the Stuttgart forum, which is your home forum.

Anyways, on topic with the transfers. Hopefully you can get Hleb and a striker. How good would Barnetta be for your team though? It's true he would definitely improve your team, though you just bought a youngster and put him on the wing to give him game time. He's supposed to be one of the promising German players, would it be good to just buy a player that will directly bench him?

[footyfan1]

How good would Barnetta be for your team though? It's true he would definitely improve your team, though you just bought a youngster and put him on the wing to give him game time. He's supposed to be one of the promising German players, would it be good to just buy a player that will directly bench him?



Ah, you mean acquiring Barnetta would send Gebhart to the bench, don't you??

Yes, that is true, but when you're in the position VfB is you have to upgrade when you can whether you "just bought" the player who will most likely be benched or not.

And the fact of the matter is, at this moment, Barnetta is an upgrade over Gebhart.

Hell, Barnetta would be an upgrade over Hilbert for that matter........

However, this probably won't be an issue anyhow.

If the media is to be believed, Barnetta does want to leave Leverkusen, but he apparently wants to move to England.

Which I cannot blame him for either. Barnetta has the type of game to make it in the Premiership and that's where the money and world-wide exposure is.

Will be interesting to see how this turns out.

[berloha]

okay. after a phone call with schindelmeiser ba confirms that he wants to leave the club...to stuttgart then. buy him for 10 M € and enjoy this wonderful player.

[Syriaman]

http://www.fussball.de/c/18/95/08/74/18950874.html
Riedle will join Stuttgart,he comes from Grasshopper Zürich and scored there 3 goals in 10 matches.He should be a big and famous talent.

[Kirsten19]

U don't need Riedle when u already hv M.Fischer, Schieber n Pascal Breier coming through. Too Many project types and end up no one will be benefited

Bad Move for Alessandro Riedle imo. Should really go to HSV or Hoffenheim.

[footyfan1]

U don't need Riedle when u already hv M.Fischer, Schieber n Pascal Breier coming through. Too Many project types and end up no one will be benefited

Bad Move for Alessandro Riedle imo. Should really go to HSV or Hoffenheim.


Great move for Alessandro Riedle.

Going to Stuttgart gives him two years to develop more at one of the best clubs in Europe for developing young striker talent.

Riedle's father isn't looking to push him into the limelight. He's looking to develop his son as best he can......

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Yeah, he seems like he's promising. Granted Swiss league is not the Premiership but 3 goals in only 10 appearances is still pretty good for someone who's just 17. He's chosen a good club to come to, obviously it's hard to see him playing any role next season, but we'll see how he does with VfB II. If he can get into double digits in the 3rd league at the age of 18, then we'll really have someone promising on our hands.

Welcome to the club!

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Regarding Ba: Hoffenheim says he can't leave, so it's not looking THAT great for the moment. They claim the agent is simply influencing him in a bad way. I dunno. But it's not clear yet that we'll be able to get him.

Then, some frightening news...

Bild rumours we are tracking Nelson Valdez for 5 million euros. That has got to be a ********ing joke. I think it is.

[Kirsten19]

He actually scored 3 goals in his first 7 appearances. But failed to score in the last 3 games.

U obviously have Schieber, M.Fischer n Pascal Breier who i really rate. Won't hese players be his main obstacles?

[footyfan1]

Then, some frightening news...

Bild rumours we are tracking Nelson Valdez for 5 million euros. That has got to be a ********ing joke. I think it is.


After Basturk at 3M per, who knows?? LMAO!! :D

Just kidding man! I even good-naturedly got on people over at the BVB Sub-Forum for wanting to believe it!! :cool:

[footyfan1]

He actually scored 3 goals in his first 7 appearances. But failed to score in the last 3 games.

U obviously have Schieber, M.Fischer n Pascal Breier who i really rate. Won't hese players be his main obstacles?


Dude, again, this is obviously a developmental move. If they were looking to make the Stuttgart starting 11, don't you think they would have signed for more than two years??

This is just the next step in the kid's development. Just because he made 10 appearances in the Swiss League it doesn't mean they are looking to try to break into the German Bundesliga at 18.

But if there is one place where the youth system can develop him to make his Bundesliga jump, it is Stuttgart.

I have a feeling you'll see young Mr. Riedle in the 3. Liga with VfB II for most, if not all of next season.

That is, if he's truly good enough.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Yeah, III. Liga next season for him, if he develops well, then who knows maybe in 10/11 he'll start to appear for the first side. But first he'll have to really impress for VfB II.

[Syriaman]

Ba would be a good move,hope we get him.;)

He´s a great player.