VfB Stuttgart - Pushing for Europe, 08/09 Season Thread Part III (R)

[Syriaman]

1) €20 million is too much for Helmes...maybe 10 MIO.

2) Hleb will come for sure

3) Want Jovanovic

4) Don't need Borowski


:D

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Many people say 20 million is too much... I don't reallu agree though. Helmes is till in the top 3-4 German strikers and will also continue to improve i'm quite sure. Not to mention he's still got a long contract.

I would want to have him, even if it was for 20 mill. Would absolutely smash our transfer-record, that goes without saying.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Well, Leverkusen lost but Helmes says he is staying with Bayer

http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/artikel/509528/


So that's the end of that speculation then :(

[Rainer24]

Well, that's alright. I know a lot of people rate him on the same level as Gomez or near to it, but I don't think he's nearly as good. Wouldn't have been worth the prices being bandied about if you ask me. I'd have taken him, but not for € 20 million.


C'mon, Gignac!

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Well I see him and Gomez as Germany's two best strikers, ahead of the likes of Klose and Podolski. Essentially, by buying him we would've replaced the best German striker with the second best German striker, which would've well done. Real shame he doesn't want to go, but hey, I guess some strikers don't just ******** over their clubs when the chance comes.


Now we can focus on others. Gignac, Love are the biggest names.

[squidward123]

no, but klose is the best striker for "germany" ;)

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Yeah maybe, but i'm talking about general ability here. :)
I rate Helmes above him. Anyway, whatever, we can forget about Helmes now.

[squidward123]

Yeah maybe, but i'm talking about general ability here. :)
I rate Helmes above him. Anyway, whatever, we can forget about Helmes now.

cant you make a bid for klose here

just to PISS off bayern if not anything ;)

[humin12]

Well, that's alright. I know a lot of people rate him on the same level as Gomez or near to it, but I don't think he's nearly as good. Wouldn't have been worth the prices being bandied about if you ask me. I'd have taken him, but not for € 20 million.


C'mon, Gignac!
Yes, Gignac should be the obvious choice. Highest scorer in the Ligue 1 with Toulouse, you should pick him up while you still can.

[benztown]

Actually, if I had a wish, I'd choose Poldi to replace Gomez...Helmes would have been second though...too bad for us that he doesn't want to come.

I don't know enough about the other candidates though. The problem is, that I don't really trust our scouting department either...I mean who was the last guy not from the Bundesliga who really had a major impact? Our Mexicans I guess...but before that? We only had one every other year...Delpierre 2005, Meira in 2002, Bordon in 1999, Soldo in 1997, Balakov in 1995...

But we had (mostly expensive) flops like Sasa Markovic, Florin Raducioiu, Didi, Hakan Yakin, Adhemar, Tomasson, Grönkjaer, Mario Carevic, Farnerud, Ljuboja, Centurion, Marica...and I'm not even counting the semi-flops who also weren't exactly cheap...

But well...hopefully this is one of those years, where we land someone who's actually a reinforcement for our team...




Anyway, on a different note: 18 WWII bombs have been found underneath the pitch in the Daimler Stadion when they started re-building it...

[Equilibrium]

Yeah maybe, but i'm talking about general ability here. :)
I rate Helmes above him. Anyway, whatever, we can forget about Helmes now.
He doesn't have a general great ability, no idea where you got this false illusion from. His type is the predator type, he gets in the right spot at the right time and otherwise is practically useless throughout the game. The clinical finisher, good types of players but these types of players do not have more ability than someone like Klose whose passing and vision is leagues above Helmes, as well as scoring with his head. In terms of pure ability, he's definitely behind all 3 of the current German strikers. That's why Loew still uses Gomez over him even though he's piss poor interntionally. To even mention that he is on the same level or above Gomez is borderline comical, but I'll take it as a sour grapes type of comment from you rather than you meaning it.

20m euros for a player whose had 1 good season is a little silly, it's something I expect the careless EPL clubs to spend who have a massive amount of cash stacked in their bank accounts every month. At the moment, he's no where near such a price though he would be a good player for your team. Considering Cacau is staying and you hope he keeps some consistent form, your best bet would be to look for a clinical striker.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

To even mention that he is on the same level or above Gomez is borderline comical, but I'll take it as a sour grapes type of comment from you rather than you meaning it.

I said Gomez was the best German striker.

Things I didn't say:
1) that he is at the same level as Gomez.
2) That he is better than Gomez.


So, nothing comical there.

The only comical thing is you suggesting I write my posts out of sour grapes, after you've overlooked the meaning of what I've written :rolleyes:

[Equilibrium]

but if we consider it it's 10 million less than we got for Gomez and I don't believe that Helmes is a worse player than Gomez.
epic

















fail..

[Kirsten19]

30mil, should be enough to bring in Lewis Holtby (LW/SS) n Gignac(CF) together

or else Marko Marin+ Gignac


What do u guys think of Manuel Fischer n Schieber's chance for next year? Schieber looks like a hot prospect. Babbel seems to like him a lot as well

Fischer, i dunno man. He is a really clinical predator in front of goal. but never seems to be given enough chances

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

epic

















fail..


Pick and choose anyone??

Other quotes by me:
'Essentially, by buying him we would've replaced the best German striker with the second best German striker'

So, ignoring the fact that even in your quoted post I did not say he is better than Gomez, once again you clearly just picked out stuff to suit your side, rather than looking at my real position. But naturally being yourself you don't take the last quote I made, but rather whichever one fits your argument.

You know what's an epic fail?? It is making a long rant comment on a joke video without watching it because you thought it was serious. I guess I could've started throwing around 'epic fail', 'sour grapes' comments there, but guess I was foolish enough not to be a total dick about it. Pathetic.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

[QUOTE]30mil, should be enough to bring in Lewis Holtby (LW/SS) n Gignac(CF) together

or else Marko Marin+ Gignac


We haven't been linked to Holtby or Marin. As far as I know Marin looks set for Bremen and Holtby looks set for Leverkusen.

What do u guys think of Manuel Fischer n Schieber's chance for next year? Schieber looks like a hot prospect. Babbel seems to like him a lot as well

Fischer, i dunno man. He is a really clinical predator in front of goal. but never seems to be given enough chances


Fischer was the ultra-talent, but Schieber's really come out this season. He was good for VfBII and didn't do poorly in the minutes he played in this season. Against Schalke especially he was impressive after coming in. Fischer I thought could really play a role this season after he scored on the last day of last season. But he just didn't break in. He does seem to be too easy-going, not working hard enough from what i've heard. We loaned him to Koblenz for the Rueckrunde and he didn't really impress there to say the least. Talent doesn't pay off without hard work, and I hope Fischer will start to show some.

For next season, both will probably be like 4th/5th choice strikers at the start, but everyone who trains well, impresses in the friendlies etc etc will get chances in the side. And so we'll see how they develop. Either way both have talent.

[Kirsten19]

2 years back, Manuel Fischer was the golden boot of the U17 Euro, and was selected in the "team of the tournament" along with Marko Marin.

And in Germany, there was a time where Fischer was rated highly, and was seen as "wonderkid" in the golden generation together with Marko Marin, Toni Kroos and Lars Bender.

I hope Fischer has more chance to play next season. He certainly has the talent, while Marica and Luboja(spelling?) are proven flops.

Fischer, Sukuta-Pasu, Choupo-Moting, Felix Kroos and Marvin Pourie are the 5 highest rated young strikers among the country, but all fail to impress for various reasons (too competitive, injury, pressure, discipline) WTF?!
Let's hope Ginczek, Terrazzino, Thy and Thomas Mueller can shine. But seems liek our young strikers are cursed.

I hope Stuttgart won't make M.Fischer another Benjamin Auer. Youngsters with such talent should be given more chance

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

2 years back, Manuel Fischer was the golden boot of the U17 Euro, and was selected in the "team of the tournament" along with Marko Marin.

And in Germany, there was a time where Fischer was rated highly, and was seen as "wonderkid" in the golden generation together with Marko Marin, Toni Kroos and Lars Bender.

Yes he has been highly rated through all our youth sides as well, that's why I had high expectations for him going into the last season. But he as of yet hasn't lived up to them.

I hope Fischer has more chance to play next season. He certainly has the talent, while Marica and Luboja(spelling?) are proven flops.


Thankfully, Ljuboja's contract is out now and the 3-4 year ordeal with him is finally over. As for Marica, it's amazing to think he's the most expensive transfer in our club's history.


I hope Stuttgart won't make M.Fischer another Benjamin Auer. Youngsters with such talent should be given more chance

If there's one side in Germany that doesn't waste youth, it's us.
If he has the ability and the willpower, he will make it here.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Race for Hleb so far appears to be between three sides:
Us, some other German side I can't remember the name of ( :D ), and Lyon.

Every morning when i get up first thing I do is check Kicker in the hope that the front headling will be 'Hleb Returns to VfB'.... but the whole thing doesn't appear to be coming closer to a finish at the moment

[Syriaman]

Race for Hleb so far appears to be between three sides:
Us, some other German side I can't remember the name of ( :D ), and Lyon.

Every morning when i get up first thing I do is check Kicker in the hope that the front headling will be 'Hleb Returns to VfB'.... but the whole thing doesn't appear to be coming closer to a finish at the moment

wow!:D:eek: