VfB Stuttgart - Pushing for Europe, 08/09 Season Thread Part III (R)

[F96]

I guess the plan a few years ago was Fischer eventually replacing Gomez but sadly life isn not a fairy tale.
I watched a few times this season with Koblenz and he was invisible.

Joining Bayern for most German players is still a lesser risk than going abroad with a garantue to play CL.

It's sad but things will never change.

[benztown]

I guess the plan a few years ago was Fischer eventually replacing Gomez but sadly life isn not a fairy tale.
I watched a few times this season with Koblenz and he was invisible.

Yeah, Fischer seems to have stagnated over the last year...I won't give up hope yet, but he's definitely nowhere near to replace Mario.


Joining Bayern for most German players is still a lesser risk than going abroad with a garantue to play CL.

It's sad but things will never change.

I still don't get it. If anybody had it in him to succeed abroad it would be Mario...I guess that once more, it all comes down to money...

[Kleyn]

I hate that ********ing club so much.

Hate is bad :D Come on, your coach was a Bayern player for six years, your captain was playing 10 years for Bayern youth teams etc....How can you hate us? :D

And you got freaking 30 million for him. You'd never get more from a foreign club. So the problem is that he will play for Bayern? And there wouldn't have been a problem if he would have chosen Milan, Manchester, Barcelona...? C'mon there will be only two matches against Stuttgart, it's not like he will have to score against you every week :p

[Borussia]

I hate that ********ing club so much.




If I was a VfB fan, I'd hate the player's character even more (didn't he always state his love for Stuttgart and how good he feels there?).

Well, at least you get some nice cash.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

You'll rob our coach in the future.

Hitzlsperger didn't make it in Bayern 'cause you put no faith in him.

you took Elber, you took Magath, you take Gomez, every ********ing time.
And you know it.
And you still support your ********ing side with no shame, reminds me why this is the worst club in the world.

YOU KNOW WHAT?????? I WOULD'VE LOVED IT IF HE MOVED TO BARCA, MILAN, MADRID. But he didn't, he moved to Bayern. Your club represents everything I hate about football, year in, year out - your policy, your management, your players, everything.

...and these fans, seriously man just go away, make jokes about all your money and all the goals he'll score in your subforum. Because this is far and away the best player our club has ever had, and he's ********ing gone to the enemy and none us are ********ing laughing.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

If I was a VfB fan, I'd hate the player's character even more (didn't he always state his love for Stuttgart and how good he feels there?).

Gomez is dead to me.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Sucks that he goes to Bayern but the most important thing for me here is:

34.000.000€ for a player from your own youth!

That's the way to do it and I hope this brings clubs like 96 to spent more money on youth.

Thanks for the consoling, but it's just the same story every time :(


We made Hleb top from the youth, sold him for 15 million.
Kuranyi made top from the youth, sold him for 8 million.
Hinkel made came from the youth, sold for 4 million.
Hildebrand top from the youth.
Now Gomez.
Tasci will be next.


And it just keeps repeating and repeating and our best are always pushed away.


I just hope we make good use now. Hleb would be a dream come true, Helmes would be awesome awesome awesome. But we'll just have to see.

[Kleyn]

And you still support your ********ing side with no shame, reminds me why this is the worst club in the world.

So Bayern is worse than Karlsruhe? Hoffenheim? :p Imagine Gomez moving there...

[benztown]

An article about Hleb:
http://www.ftd.de/sport/:Begehrter-Wei%DFrusse-Wettlauf-um-Alexander-Hleb/518897.html

He says that after the CL final, he'll talk to the club. If they want to keep him, he'll stay, but if he feels that his situation won't improve, then he'll leave.

He didn't say where he'd go, but he obviously likes the VfB. If that's enough to not go to Munich remains to be seen...but he has to make the decision to leave Barca in the first place...and it's not an easy one...

Personally, I'd still suspect that it's either Barca or VfB...but of course some wishful thinking might interfere with my reasoning there...

[Borussia]

Because this is far and away the best player our club has ever had, and he's ********ing gone to the enemy and none us are ********ing laughing.

This is "business as usual" in today's soccer. All that counts for players these days, are the big money & titles and not the loyalty towards fans & club ... so you simply have to cope with such decisions (we've lost many top players as well in the past). At least you get some good money ... just imagine he'd have left for free (i.e. like Baumjohann).

If one of the financially potent clubs wants a player, it's usually no problem to get him.

[benztown]

... just imagine he'd have left for free (i.e. like Baumjohann).

another talent wasted BTW...like Schlaudraff, Tobias Rau, ...

[theearthisflat]

I'm seriously upset, when i read the VfB email this morning it really didn't hit me. but right now i really can't believe it.

Seeing him in that kit next year is going to make me even more angry

[THOMA GOL]

Gomez is dead to me.

You'll rob our coach in the future.

Hitzlsperger didn't make it in Bayern 'cause you put no faith in him.

you took Elber, you took Magath, you take Gomez, every ********ing time.
And you know it.
And you still support your ********ing side with no shame, reminds me why this is the worst club in the world.

YOU KNOW WHAT?????? I WOULD'VE LOVED IT IF HE MOVED TO BARCA, MILAN, MADRID. But he didn't, he moved to Bayern. Your club represents everything I hate about football, year in, year out - your policy, your management, your players, everything.

...and these fans, seriously man just go away, make jokes about all your money and all the goals he'll score in your subforum. Because this is far and away the best player our club has ever had, and he's ********ing gone to the enemy and none us are ********ing laughing.

So Bayern is worse than Karlsruhe? Hoffenheim? :p Imagine Gomez moving there...

This is "business as usual" in today's soccer. All that counts for players these days, are the big money & titles and not the loyalty towards fans & club ... so you simply have to cope with such decisions (we've lost many top players as well in the past). At least you get some good money ... just imagine he'd have left for free (i.e. like Baumjohann).

If one of the financially potent clubs wants a player, it's usually no problem to get him.

I'm seriously upset, when i read the VfB email this morning it really didn't hit me. but right now i really can't believe it.

Seeing him in that kit next year is going to make me even more angry

Yes, that's the breaks, especially in this modern game. I can't stand the snobbery that is Bayern. It obviously is a sellout move. Who was the last true dedicated member to the Stuttgart shirt, Balakov?

[Fußballgott]

This is "business as usual" in today's soccer. All that counts for players these days, are the big money & titles and not the loyalty towards fans & club ... so you simply have to cope with such decisions (we've lost many top players as well in the past). At least you get some good money ... just imagine he'd have left for free (i.e. like Baumjohann).

If one of the financially potent clubs wants a player, it's usually no problem to get him.

But we are one of the financially potent clubs. You see when Mayer-Vorfelder had totally ********ed up the club I could understand selling Elber. We simply needed the money to survive. I also understood Hleb leaving. Though I didn't understand "replacing" him with Tomasson and Gronkjaer. Wasn't the point selling Hleb to clear our debt?

I don't understand this one. If we add 2-3 topplayers we would have had a squad to permanantly dethrone Bayern as No 1 in Germany and Gomez would be elevated to a level with Beckenbauer or Müller. Now Gomez will win a handful of German championships with Bayern, so what? Who gives a ******** about that anyway?

If Gomez stays and it doesn't work out he can still leave to a top club when he's 25 or something. And we would just return to build a squad knowing that with our youth we'd get another chance sooner or later. We don't have debts, are located in one of the richests parts of Europe, have a youthsystem producing players with a combined worth of 10m every year, have a capable young coach and a young squad which is both deep and high quality. If we can't make a push for the top now, when then? Of course a top side can crash down like Dortmund or fade away like Werder. I can live with that but a managnement who always shit their pants whenever a difficult decision presents itself is unacceptable. I predict Delpierre, Khedira, Tasci, Hilbert, Träsch and Gebhard to all leave this or the next summer. And managnement will say: "Our plan is a great success, look how much money we got! Especially for Tasci and Khedira which we got for free!" (Doesn't VfB invest about 5m/year into youth development? So why does the club treat these guys like freebies?)

If we always sell our best players because "we can't keep them anyway". And then buy some trash with a big name because "we have to replace the player". Then we are never a club that has to be taken seriously by a top side but also too good to easily integrate our youth players. Permanently stuck between Bayern and Bielefeld. The worst of both worlds.

Borussia, you are partly right. It's not about titles but only about money. Not only for Gomez but also for managers like Staudt or Heldt.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

I can't blame Heldt/Staudt for selling Gomez, the offer was a record price and they had to accept, especially if the player wants to leave. That is not their fault.

The only one to blame is the one who cost 34 million euros.

If Heldt can grab Hleb or Helmes, he will have done a good job.

[Fußballgott]

I can't blame Heldt/Staudt for selling Gomez, the offer was a record price and they had to accept, especially if the player wants to leave. That is not their fault.

The only one to blame is the one who cost 34 million euros.

If Heldt can grab Hleb or Helmes, he will have done a good job.

No offense but the bold part pretty much sums up the mentality of VfB IMO: "We are just some shit club, in a shit city, in a shit province. We always have to do what others tell us and can only react when something happens." Yes get Helmes and Hleb + a good leftback to convince Gomez to stay. Gomez said he would stay if the squad gets improved so why not give it to him given that that is what should be done anyway?

And yes 34 million is a lot of money but Gomez is one of the best CF. He is worth that money. Actually for us he is worth even more as a footballsquad is more than millions on the bank converted into flesh and blood. How will the club image recover having just sold it's symbol to a rival? How will team-cohesion look like next year with a central player sold and tactics having to be reworked? How will team-morale be with the most respected player and biggest fighter gone? Do you think Helmes can carry the attack on his shoulders like Gomez did sometimes? I think some of our players still lack selfconfidence in big games with Gomez having progressed beyond that point and pushing the team forward.

If Helmes comes it will be a good move for us but just a stepping stone for him and when a reasonable offer comes he will be gone again. And Hleb or any really strong player won't join a mediocre Bundesligaside. Just as Delpierre Khedira and Tasci will make plans to leave as ending the career in Stuttgart won't seem like a good move for an ambitious player. Well somehow we always get young players like Klinsmann/Sammer/Hleb/Gomez. Maybe next time.

[BayernWake]

I can't stand the snobbery that is Bayern.

That's weird, you sound like every other non-Bayern fan who's ever voiced an opinion about FC Bayern.

Take that back, some KSC fans are cool and haven't hopped on the anti-Bayern bandwagon.

[benztown]

Gomez had a clause in his contract that allowed him to leave for that sum...And personally I don't blame him for leaving, although it is indeed somewhat depressing that he went to Bayern of all clubs. If he went abroad, I would have wished him the best of luck and moved on.

Stuttgart just can't keep up with the big boys. We're not Inter, Man U, Real or Bayern. We couldn't have possibly been able to pay Gomez the money he gets at Bayern AND improved the Squad to any meaningful extend.

What we can do is to build on what we have. And that's not bad at all. If we spend that money wisely, we'll end up with a better team than this season. If we can establish Stuttgart among the top 3 over the next years, then Bayern won't be in a position where they can lure away our talent. But until then, we have to accept the pecking order and make the best out of it.

And who knows...maybe we'll win the CL next season and shove it up Bayern's ass...well, won't happen, but it would be funny :D

[BayernWake]

Gomez had a clause in his contract that allowed him to leave for that sum...And personally I don't blame him for leaving, although it is indeed somewhat depressing that he went to Bayern of all clubs. If he went abroad, I would have wished him the best of luck and moved on.

Stuttgart just can't keep up with the big boys. We're not Inter, Man U, Real or Bayern. We couldn't have possibly been able to pay Gomez the money he gets at Bayern AND improved the Squad to any meaningful extend.

What we can do is to build on what we have. And that's not bad at all. If we spend that money wisely, we'll end up with a better team than this season. If we can establish Stuttgart among the top 3 over the next years, then Bayern won't be in a position where they can lure away our talent. But until then, we have to accept the pecking order and make the best out of it.

And who knows...maybe we'll win the CL next season and shove it up Bayern's ass...well, won't happen, but it would be funny :D

I'm interested in seeing what VfB do with the Gomez money. Which transfers do you want to make before September?

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

That's weird, you sound like every other non-Bayern fan who's ever voiced an opinion about FC Bayern.

Take that back, some KSC fans are cool and haven't hopped on the anti-Bayern bandwagon.

What should he take back??????

If you can describe Hoeness/Rummenigge/Beckenbaur's ('we will ensure VfB play uefa cup next season'...) rants as anything other than snobbery, then I don't know what.

And you bring up a bandwagon. There's one big bandwagon in German football - it's the FC BAYERN bandwagon. And it's the only one that never departs.

How can you dare come here and talk about being on a bandwagon when your side has just taken our best player away from us?????? Hating ScheissBayern is not about being on a bandwagon, it's about a natural reaction to the shit you guys do every single ********ing season. Some club has to suffer from it every summer. And because we are a smart, good club with an amazing youth development programme, I guess we suffer from it more than others.

Take Elber, take Magath, take Gomez, and we all know if we continue to do well and van Gaal flops you'll take Babbel soon enough as well. And Tasci. And Khedira. But don't you dare call it bandwagoning for us to despise you for it.