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dor02
10 Dec 2006, 08:26 AM
I was joking also. Maybe I should have put one of those smilies next to the question.

Pakalolo
10 Dec 2006, 09:13 AM
I was joking also. Maybe I should have put one of those smilies next to the question.

;) [now we have it]

1974

01 Cruyff (Netherlands) 116
02 Beckenbauer (Germany) 105
03 Deyna (Poland) 35
04 Breitner (Germany) 32
05 Neeskens (Netherlands) 21
06 Lato (Poland) 16

surprised to see Deyna in front of Lato. Thought Lato was THEIR man at the Wc :confused:

By the way, a part from 1972 from a German point of view, 1956 is my favoutite. You can't beat that:

1956

01 Matthews (England) 47
02 Di Stefano (Spain/Argentina) 44
03 Kopa (Poland/France) 33
04 Puskas (Hungary) 32
05 Yashin (USSR) 19
06 Bozsik (Hungary) 15
07 Ocwirk (Austria) 9
08 Kocsis (Hungary) 6

Gregoriak
10 Dec 2006, 05:00 PM
surprised to see Deyna in front of Lato. Thought Lato was THEIR man at the Wc

Kazimierz Deyna (I love those Polish names) was the influential playmaker of that fancied Poland side, one of the best players of the tournament. Only Cruyff and Beckenbauer were more influential for their teams that year. Without Deyna, Grzegorz Lato and Andrzej Szarmach could not have scored as many goals as they did.

Gregoriak
10 Dec 2006, 05:16 PM
1981

01 Rummenigge (Germany) 106
02 Breitner (Germany) 64
03 Schuster (Germany) 39
04 Platini (France) 36
05 Blokhin (Soviet Union) 14
06 Zoff (Italy) 13
07 Shengelia (Soviet Union) 10
08 Chivadze (Soviet Union) 9
09 Brady (Ireland) 7
09 Wark (Scotland) 7

1982

01 Rossi (Italy) 115
02 Giresse (France) 64
03 Boniek (Poland) 53
04 Rummenigge (Germany) 51
05 Conti (Italy) 48
06 Dasaev (Soviet Union) 17
07 Littbarski (Germany) 10
08 Zoff (Italy) 9
09 Platini (France) 5
10 Schuster (Germany) 4

1983

01 Platini (France) 110
02 Dalglish (Scotland) 26
03 Simonsen (Denmark) 25
04 Strachan (Scotland) 24
05 Magath (Germany) 20
06 Dasaev (Soviet Union) 15
06 Pfaff (Belgium) 15
08 J.Olsen (Denmark) 14
08 Rummenigge (Germany) 14
10 Robson (England) 13

1984

01 Platini (France) 128
02 Tigana (France) 57
03 Elkjaer-Larsen (Denmark) 48
04 Rush (Wales) 44
05 Chalana (Portugal) 18
06 Souness (Scotland) 16
07 Schumacher (Germany) 12
08 Rummenigge (Bayern) 10
09 Giresse (France) 9
10 Robson (England) 7

1985

01 Platini (France) 127
02 Elkjaer-Larsen (Denmark) 71
03 Schuster (Germany) 46
04 M.Laudrup (Denmark) 14
05 Rummenigge (Germany) 13
06 Boniek (Poland) 12
07 Protassov (Soviet Union) 10
08 Briegel (Germany) 9
09 Dasaev (Soviet Union) 8
09 Robson (England) 8

1986

01 Belanov (Soviet Union) 84
02 Lineker (England) 62
03 Butragueno (Spain) 59
04 Amoros (France) 22
04 Elkjaer-Larsen (Denmark) 22
06 Rush (Wales) 20
06 Zavarov (Soviet Union) 20
08 van Basten (Holland) 10
08 Ducadam (Romania) 10
10 Altobelli (Italy) 9

1987

01 Gullit (Holland) 106
02 Futre (Portugal) 91
03 Butragueno (Spain) 61
04 Michel (Spain) 29
05 Lineker (England) 13
06 Barnes (Jamaica/England) 10
06 van Basten (Holland) 10
08 Vialli (Italy) 9
09 Robson (England) 7
10 K.Allofs (Germany) 6
10 Hysen (Sweden) 6

1988

01 van Basten (Holland) 129
02 Gullit (Holland) 88
03 Rijkaard (Holland) 45
04 Mikhailichenko (Soviet Union) 41
05 R.Koeman (Holland) 39
06 Matthäus (Germany) 10
07 Vialli (Italy) 7
08 F.Baresi (Italy) 5
08 Klinsmann (Germany) 5
08 Zavarov (Soviet Union) 5

1989

01 van Basten (Holland) 119
02 F.Baresi (Italy) 80
03 Rijkaard (Holland) 43
04 Matthäus (Germany) 24
05 Shilton (England) 22
06 Stojkovic (Yugoslavia) 19
07 Gullit (Holland) 16
08 Hagi (Romania) 11
08 Klinsmann (Germany) 11
10 Preud'homme (Belgium) 10
10 Papin (France 10

1990

01 Matthäus (Germany) 137
02 Schillaci (Italy) 84
03 Brehme (Germany) 68
04 Gascoigne (England) 43
05 F.Baresi (Italy) 37
06 Klinsmann (Germany) 12
06 Scifo (Belgium) 12
08 R.Baggio (Italy) 8
09 Rijkaard (Holland) 7
10 Buchwald (Germany) 6

dor02
11 Dec 2006, 04:54 AM
I'm surprised that in 1982, Giresse was rated higher than Platini. What made his performance better than Platini's?

Portugal's appearance really helped Chalana to score well. That guy wasn't that good.

The 1956 list is a great one like Pakalolo pointed out, with Ocwirk undoubtedly the most underrated player of that lot. The 1960 and 1961 lists are impressive also.

Excape Goat
12 Dec 2006, 12:23 PM
1982

01 Rossi (Italy) 115
02 Giresse (France) 64
03 Boniek (Poland) 53
04 Rummenigge (Germany) 51
05 Conti (Italy) 48
06 Dasaev (Soviet Union) 17
07 Littbarski (Germany) 10
08 Zoff (Italy) 9
09 Platini (France) 5
10 Schuster (Germany) 4



How did Platini manage a low ranking in 1982?

SoccerGossip
12 Dec 2006, 02:03 PM
Hmm, Keegan was a few points away from winning three in a row...

Gregoriak
12 Dec 2006, 02:11 PM
Hmm, Keegan was a few points away from winning three in a row...

Keegan was expected to win it in 1977 due to Liverpool's victory in the European Cup and Keegan's instrumental role in that. But he struggled at Hamburg in the first half of the 1977-78 season while at the same time Allan Simonsen played magnificently for Borussia Mönchengladbach. And since the whole year was counting...

Gregoriak
12 Dec 2006, 02:13 PM
How did Platini manage a low ranking in 1982?

It is indeed a bit surprising but if you're looking at the players in front of Platini, it's hard to argue that Platini was better in 1982 than any of them. The Platini of 1982 while great was not the Platini of 1984!

F96
12 Oct 2008, 05:49 PM
Very interesting.
Platini won three years in a row!! Feel bad for not having heard of some players yet like Belanov for example.

How about 91-till now?

Alex_K
12 Oct 2008, 05:53 PM
Very interesting.
Platini won three years in a row!! Feel bad for not having heard of some players yet like Belanov for example.


Played for Eintracht :D.

johan neeskens
13 Oct 2008, 05:44 AM
1988

01 van Basten (Holland) 129
02 Gullit (Holland) 88
03 Rijkaard (Holland) 45
04 Mikhailichenko (Soviet Union) 41
05 R.Koeman (Holland) 39
06 Matthäus (Germany) 10
07 Vialli (Italy) 7
08 F.Baresi (Italy) 5
08 Klinsmann (Germany) 5
08 Zavarov (Soviet Union) 5

Woohooo! Complete Dutch domination.

Cool Rob
18 Oct 2008, 01:39 AM
Woohooo! Complete Dutch domination.

Totally. What a year for Dutch football. I really wonder if that (4 out of the top 5) can ever be accomplished again.

And Beckenbauer???? How many years can one person be on that list (66-76)? I had no idea he was so highly rated in the 60's. Stud.

comme
18 Oct 2008, 03:47 AM
Totally. What a year for Dutch football. I really wonder if that (4 out of the top 5) can ever be accomplished again.

And Beckenbauer???? How many years can one person be on that list (66-76)? I had no idea he was so highly rated in the 60's. Stud.

Well there's no limit obviously but a while back I looked into every player that had ever won a point in the EPOTY voting. The people that had the most years were

Cruyff (12), Beckenbauer (11), Eusebio (11), Zidane (11), Rivera (10), Muller (10), Michael Laudrup (10), Paolo Maldini (10), Yashin (9), Sandro Mazzola (9), Platini (9).

This was done before last year's voting so I think Maldini may well be on 11 now as well.

Gregoriak
18 Oct 2008, 04:17 AM
RSSSF has a Records Section (http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/europa-poy.html#records) dealing with this:


Most wins by player:

1. Marco van Basten 3
Johan Cruijff 3
Michel Platini 3
4. Franz Beckenbauer 2
Kevin Keegan 2
Ronaldo 2
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 2
Alfredo di Stéfano 2

Most consecutive wins by player:

1. Michel Platini 3
2. Marco van Basten 2
Johan Cruijff 2
Kevin Keegan 2
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 2

Most placings in top-3 by player:

1. Franz Beckenbauer 5
Michel Platini 5
3. Johan Cruijff 4
Raymond Kopa 4
Gerd Müller 4
Ronaldo 4*
Luis Suárez 4
8. Marco van Basten 3
Bobby Charlton 3
Eusébio 3
Kevin Keegan 3
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 3
Bernd Schuster 3
Andriy Shevchenko 3*
Alfredo di Stéfano 3
Zinedine Zidane 3

Most consecutive placings in top-3 by player:

1. Raymond Kopa 4
2. Franz Beckenbauer 3
Bobby Charlton 3
Johan Cruijff 3
Kevin Keegan 3
Michel Platini 3
Ronaldo 3
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 3

Most placings in top-5 by player:

1. Franz Beckenbauer 10
2. Michel Platini 8
3. Johan Cruijff 7
4. Eusébio 6
Zinedine Zidane 6
6. Thierry Henry 5*
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 5
Luis Suárez 5
Andriy Shevchenko 5*
10. Bobby Charlton 4
Kevin Keegan 4
Raymond Kopa 4
Gerd Müller 4
Ronaldo 4*
Alfredo di Stéfano 4
Lev Yashin 4

Most consecutive placings in top-5 by player:

1. Franz Beckenbauer 7
2. Eusébio 6
3. Johan Cruijff 5
4. Bobby Charlton 4
Thierry Henry 4
Kevin Keegan 4
Raymond Kopa 4
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 4

Most placings in top-10 by player:

1. Franz Beckenbauer 11
2. Johan Cruijff 9
3. Gerd Müller 8
Michel Platini 8
5. Bobby Charlton 7
Eusébio 7
Thierry Henry 7*
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 7
Zinedine Zidane 7
10. Jürgen Klinsmann 6
Raúl 6*
Gianni Rivera 6
Andriy Shevchenko 6*
Luis Suárez 6
Lev Yashin 6
16. Marco van Basten 5
John Charles 5
Raymond Kopa 5
Paolo Maldini 5*
Alfredo di Stéfano 5
21. Franco Baresi 4
Dennis Bergkamp 4
George Best 4
Kevin Keegan 4
Michael Laudrup 4
Lothar Matthäus 4
Bobby Moore 4
Ferenc Puskás 4
Bryan Robson 4
Ronaldo 4*
Frank Rijkaard 4
Bernd Schuster 4

Most consecutive placings in top-10 by player:

1. Franz Beckenbauer 11
2. Johan Cruijff 9
3. Eusébio 7
Thierry Henry 7*
Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 7
6. Gerd Müller 6
7. Raymond Kopa 5
Raúl 5
9. Bobby Charlton 4
Kevin Keegan 4

Most dominant countries in one season:

Three in top-3:

1. West Germany 1972
West Germany 1981
Netherlands 1988

Four in top-10:

1. Netherlands 1988 (top-5)
2. West Germany 1975 (top-7)
3. West Germany 1980 (top-8)
Yugoslavia 1991 (top-8)
5. Spain 1961 (top-9)
6. Italy 1965
West Germany 1974
West Germany 1990

Five in top-10:

1. West Germany 1975 (top-8)
2. West Germany 1980

Most dominant clubs in one season:

Three in top-10:

1. Milan 1988 (top-3)
Milan 1989 (top-3)
3. Real Madrid 2002 (top-4)
4. Internazionale 1990 (top-6)
5. Real Madrid 1997 (top-7)
6. Ajax 1995 (top-8)
Barcelona 1992 (top-8)
Crvena zvezda 1991 (top-8)
Honvéd Budapest 1956 (top-8)
Internazionale 1965 (top-8)
Juventus 1992 (top-8)
Real Madrid 1959 (top-8)
Real Madrid 2003 (top-8)
14. Bayern Munchen 1973 (top-9)
Girondins Bordeaux 1984 (top-9)
Real Madrid 1961 (top-9)
Milan 2005 (top-9)
17. Borussia Dortmund 1997
Real Madrid 2001
Chelsea 2005

Four in top-10:

1. Milan 1989 (top-7)
Real Madrid 2002 (top-7)
3. Milan 1988 (top-8)
4. Juventus 1982 (top-9)
5. Real Madrid 2003

Catel
18 Oct 2008, 07:44 AM
62 > Jurion was not French but Belgian.

Wow, every day a surprise in the ante-Bosman world. A player of AS Nancy Lorraine is 5th of the Ballon d'Or. :eek:

I don't know for Giresse :confused: I wasn't born. I think I remember Platini was injured in 1982 and 1986. Was Giresse better than him in the World Cup ? In the Championship, Platini finished 2nd with Saint-Etienne, Giresse 4th, and Platini scored the two goals for les Verts in the final of the French Cup lost against PSG.

dor02
19 Oct 2008, 07:23 AM
Platini scored four goals in 1982 (he was MOTM in the loss against West Germany) and battled a cold or the flu in the early stages of the 1986 World Cup. Even if Platini wasn't at his very best, I can't see how Giresse was better. Mysterious, really.

jpick
20 Oct 2008, 07:08 PM
Woohooo! Complete Milan domination.

;) :p

squidward123
25 Oct 2008, 07:01 PM
Tsk, 1972 is much better...

and 1981 was interesting too...