how is pizarro performing this season?

[condor11]

out of 10 what would you rate his season?

[chelodelgado]

7/10 for effort, team spirit.
But i think his days in bayern are numbered, he plays the same role as makaay except he isn't as good. Both Pizarro and santa cruz should go, and when n if deisler does come back, Bayern should move ze roberto inside and play with makaay as the lone striker.

My dream formation:

Makaay
Ze Roberto
Deisler Ballack
Bastian Hargreaves
Rau Kuffour Kovac? Sagnol
Kahn?

[condor11]

for the peruvian team he is playing alot in the midfield

is this the case for the bayern team as well?

[miko]

I rate him 8/10. He's been good, by our team standards this year, but Maakay has been better.

[miko]

Originally posted by condor11
for the peruvian team he is playing alot in the midfield

is this the case for the bayern team as well? He has been a bit, but most of the time he spends up front.

[Basti]

I never knew he could play in midfield... when it comes down to the forwards doesn't Hitzfeld prefer to play Santa Cruz in midfield?

I would rate his season thus far 5/10

Started off good but after his injury has been all downhill

[condor11]

yeah he helps out in the midfield when he plasy for peru as well as tracking back to defend in corners

in fact when playing for peru the coach has andres mendoza upfront with pizarro doing the dirty work as a withdrawn foward

[peruytu]

I dont think anybody realizes that is Hitzfeld who is the one asking Pizarro to play way out of position. Lets face it, Pizarro is and will always be a forward/striker. But with Bayern he's been playing more as if midfield, something Pizarro is accustumed to but will not score as many goals playing doing so. So, If you're judging his level of play on the basis of goal scoring then its not fair either, Makaay is indeed a better scorer, but thats about it. Pizarro is more than a scorer, he's a team player, dribbler, scorer, defender and much much more. In the end its Hitzfeld who is to blame for Pizarro lack of goal scoring. Pizarro realizes this that is why his father has hinted about him leaving Bayern in the past month. Once Deisler and Scholl comes back I think Pizarro wont need to go back into the midfield as much and will prove his goal scoring abilities are just as good as Makaay's.

Peru y tu?

[Basti]

Originally posted by peruytu
I dont think anybody realizes that is Hitzfeld who is the one asking Pizarro to play way out of a forward/striker. But with Bayern he's been position. Lets face it, Pizarro is and will always be playing more as if midfield, something Pizarro is accustumed to but will not score as many goals playing doing so. So, If you're judging his level of play on the basis of goal scoring then its not fair either, Makaay is indeed a better scorer, but thats about it. Pizarro is more than a scorer, he's a team player, dribbler, scorer, defender and much much more. In the end its Hitzfeld who is to blame for Pizarro lack of goal scoring. Pizarro realizes this that is why his father has hinted about him leaving Bayern in the past month. Once Deisler and Scholl comes back I think Pizarro wont need to go back into the midfield as much and will prove his goal scoring abilities are just as good as Makaay's.

Peru y tu?

This is very untrue.
If you watch him play with Bayern, you will notice he misses many clear cut chances; and Hitzfeld is not to blame. Pizarro plays as a forward but yes he is expected to defend like the other squad members, only Makaay is apparently exempt from this as his finishing is deadly and the only true out and out striker in Bayern.

I for one wouldn't care less if Pizarro left, I don't like him much and I can't picture him going to a better team if he doesn't repeat the season he had for Werder Bremen before joining Bayern.

[Syncope]

Players like Pizarro have a problem. They need to play every week, and always need to have the full confidence of the coach. Pizarro has prooved on many occasion how good a scorer he his. Unfortunately for him, Makaay is much better at converting chances (Pizarro might be a better player, but that doesn't matter here). Pizarro has had a tough time being second to Elber and now Maakay. The same might be true for Santa Cruz. Hm...maybe we can get Henrik Larsen--that would be a good combination: Makaay-Larsen. Then again, let's finally promote a striker from the amateurs, and actually give him some playing time as well.

[eissman]

[i]Then again, let's finally promote a striker from the amateurs, and actually give him some playing time as well. [/B]

I agree with this. I would like to see Munich get back to the being a German-international producing side. For a while years that is what Bayern Munich was all about. Now, too many other internationals that only have a vested interest in Europe, not necessarily German fussball. That is what is so encouraging about the prospects of Michael Rensing, Tobias Rau, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Piotr Trochowski.

[condor11]

whos the top scorer for bayern amateur side?

about pizarro he is basically having a bad season in front of goal

he hasnt scored in the qualifiers for peru either but he has given assists just like the one he gave makkay against madrid

[Basti]

Originally posted by eissman
That is what is so encouraging about the prospects of Michael Rensing, Tobias Rau, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Piotr Trochowski.

Sorry I have to correct you, Tobias Rau was bought from Wolfsburg, but we do have a promising left back (eventhough he isn't made for that position); Lahm!!!

Originally posted by condor11
whos the top scorer for bayern amateur side?

about pizarro he is basically having a bad season in front of goal

he hasnt scored in the qualifiers for peru either but he has given assists just like the one he gave makkay against madrid

Amateur side? I think it was Misimovic but he is already sold to Bochum. Germany in general have
a real problem in producing strikers and in particular Bayern. See how many German forwards we have in the Bayern amateurs... only Kilicaslan comes to mind and I don't think he will be anything big in future.

Did you know there's another peruvian in the amateur side? I think his name is Guerro (sp?)

[condor11]

yeah he played for our under 23 side scored 3 goals in 3 games

how is he performing for the amateur side?

[Basti]

Originally posted by condor11
yeah he played for our under 23 side scored 3 goals in 3 games

how is he performing for the amateur side?


He is doing quite well, he scores practically every game he plays in. If I'm not wrong he has scored 14 goals so far in the season.

It is very difficult for amateurs to make the big step into the pro team, however hopefully he will not be the same.

[condor11]

well with makkay zickler pizza and roque ahead of him id say guerreros best bet is to get loaned out to see how he peforms in the bundesliga

[eissman]

Originally posted by Basti
Sorry I have to correct you, Tobias Rau was bought from Wolfsburg, but we do have a promising left back (eventhough he isn't made for that position); Lahm!!!


I should have clarified my definition of "prospects". It typically means chaps who have been brought up in that particular clubs system and up to the top team. Rau was purchased, I understand. I was lumping in all the youthful "prospects" at Bayern presently that seem to have a good shot at the national in the future.

Basti, you are the man... nothing gets past you! Cheers.

[peruytu]

Originally posted by Basti
This is very untrue.
If you watch him play with Bayern, you will notice he misses many clear cut chances; and Hitzfeld is not to blame. Pizarro plays as a forward but yes he is expected to defend like the other squad members, only Makaay is apparently exempt from this as his finishing is deadly and the only true out and out striker in Bayern.

I for one wouldn't care less if Pizarro left, I don't like him much and I can't picture him going to a better team if he doesn't repeat the season he had for Werder Bremen before joining Bayern.

Sorry but what you just said doesn't make sense...

First of all, both Pizarro and Makaay are strikers... hence, both must score goals. Now Makaay has been scoring alot more goals than Pizarro because, as you put it, he's "exempt from this"... so what does this tell you? I mean does it tell you anything? You basicaly proved my point... I mean there's nothing much I can say.

As far as Hitzfeld, it is him that tells him to defend.. and to play in the midfield more and expecting Liza and Sagnol to go up and attack. Unfortunately Bayern are no longer winning convincingly because Liza and Sagnol no longer do this as they're supposed to.

Like said before and i'll say it again... Hitzfeld needes to leave the team and with Scholl and Deisler back on the team, Pizarro will also be "exempt" from defending thus will score alot more goals. Anyways, Pizarro has nothing to prove anymore.. he's a proven goalscorer... now he just needs to do it in a team where his abilities are neended and with Hitzfeld's tactics, Pizarro is not needed at Pizarro.. so yeah, I can agree with you with the fact that it would be best that Pizarro left.. would be better for Pizarro and bayern.

Personaly, I could see Pizarro lighting $hit up in Spain... La Liga would suit his style of play... a more open game and with coaches that are more willing to attack. Pizarro has already expressed he would love to go to Italy, but I dont think Serie A is for him... his style of game will cause him alot of injuries in Serie A. I'd rather him be fit for the Peru national team than waste his career in Serie A like Ronaldo almost did.

Peru y tu?

[peruytu]

Originally posted by condor11
whos the top scorer for bayern amateur side?

about pizarro he is basically having a bad season in front of goal

he hasnt scored in the qualifiers for peru either but he has given assists just like the one he gave makkay against madrid

.. a Peruvian is criticized... people want someone from the amateur side... Guerrero, another Peruvian is the best one there... how ironic hehe

Peru y tu?

[JeffS]

Originally posted by eissman
I agree with this. I would like to see Munich get back to the being a German-international producing side. For a while years that is what Bayern Munich was all about. Now, too many other internationals that only have a vested interest in Europe, not necessarily German fussball. That is what is so encouraging about the prospects of Michael Rensing, Tobias Rau, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Piotr Trochowski.

IMHO, this is why Bayern have been playing their worst soccer in years. A team needs a good balance of native youth system players and international stars. Right now, it's mostly international stars, most of whom are rather mediocre (with the exception of Makaay).

Guys like Schweinsteiger, Trochowski, Rau, Rensing, etc. have a lot of talent and could easily replace some of their counterparts. For instance, Lizu hasn't been as good as he's been in the past and I think, with some consistent playing time, Rau would be better. Schweinsteiger should be playing ahead of Hardgreaves, Salihamidzic, Jeremies or Ze Roberto.

The point is, German players are still very good, but they are not getting the chance to play anymore, with the infatuation of international players that many clubs/managers have.

Back to Pizarro - He and Santa Cruz are good strikers, but not great and certainly not world class. I'd love to see Bayern go after Lauth. I think Lauth has world class ability (he has 9 goals for a team that gives him little service, and he's young), and that he will eventually be much better than Pizarro or Santa Cruz.