Gold Cup and Confed Cup rosters?

[mike4066]

What do you have? Obviously our A team is going to the confed cup. I think we send a pretty solid B team to the Gold Cup (since most of these guys are fighting for the last spots on the WC roster).

Confed Cup
GK
Howard
Guzan
Seitz
D
Onyewu
Bocanegra
Pearce
Bornstein
Cherundolo
Wynne
Califf
DeMerit
MF
Beasley
Bradley
Kljestan
Dempsey
Mastroeni
Torres
Rogers
Gaven
FW
Ching
Donavan
Altidore
Casey


Gold Cup
GK
Perkins
Robles
Keller
D
Goodson
Marshall
Orozco
Parkhurst
Simek
Spector
Hedjuk
Wingert
MF
Holden
Clark
Edu
Adu
Szetela
Zizzo
White
JPP/Jemal Johnson (I can dream right)
FW
Cooper
Davies
Twellman
Rolfe

[Sachin]

I don't remember the source, but I heard the A team will be split between the two rosters.

[mike4066]

I don't remember the source, but I heard the A team will be split between the two rosters.

Hmmm that would be interesting. If you ever find it, please link it.

[narko]

Hmmm that would be interesting. If you ever find it, please link it.

Sunil recently said that we would be taking our best side to the Confederations Cup no questions asked.

[Zeno]

Any chance guys like Edu & Adu make both rosters seeing as how they are getting no PT in Europe right now?

[PhillyQuakesFan]

Don't see the point in splitting the A team. The Gold Cup is completely meaningless this year (no Confed Cup berth on the line), and in any event our B team should be able to handle anyone in the field save Mexico without much trouble. I'd send our strongest 23 (or whatever the roster limit is) to the Confed Cup, with the exception of Guzano who I'd let handle starting keeper duties for the Gold Cup (good way to get him some experience). Also adjusting somewhat for MLS/Euro scheduling (no reason to pull a guy from an MLS/Scandinavian club to be the 3rd keeper in the Confed Cup, for instance).

Confed Cup:
Howard, Hahnemann, Westberg
Cherundolo, Hejduk, Onyewu, Bocanegra, Marshall, Califf, Pearce, Spector
Bradley, Kljestan, Beasley, Dempsey, Edu, Clark, Adu, Rogers
Altidore, Donovan, Ching, Davies


Gold Cup:
Guzan, Reis, Seitz
Wynne, Simek, Orozco, Parkhurst, Demerit, Goodson, Bornstein, Harrington
Torres, Mastroeni, Szetela, Holden, White, Gaven, Lewis, Shea
Cooper, Barrett, Casey, Johnson

[Sachin]

Don't see the point in splitting the A team. The Gold Cup is completely meaningless this year (no Confed Cup berth on the line), and in any event our B team should be able to handle anyone in the field save Mexico without much trouble. I'd send our strongest 23 (or whatever the roster limit is) to the Confed Cup, with the exception of Guzano who I'd let handle starting keeper duties for the Gold Cup (good way to get him some experience). Also adjusting somewhat for MLS/Euro scheduling (no reason to pull a guy from an MLS/Scandinavian club to be the 3rd keeper in the Confed Cup, for instance).

Confed Cup:
Howard, Hahnemann, Westberg
Cherundolo, Hejduk, Onyewu, Bocanegra, Marshall, Califf, Pearce, Spector
Bradley, Kljestan, Beasley, Dempsey, Edu, Clark, Adu, Rogers
Altidore, Donovan, Ching, Davies


Gold Cup:
Guzan, Reis, Seitz
Wynne, Simek, Orozco, Parkhurst, Demerit, Goodson, Bornstein, Harrington
Torres, Mastroeni, Szetela, Holden, White, Gaven, Lewis, Shea
Cooper, Barrett, Casey, Johnson

Good point about the Confed Cup berth.

About the rosters, I could Freddy, Altidore and Hejduk going to the Gold Cup. That way Freddy and Jozy would get some PT before the U20 World Cup in September. Hejduk would be there to provide the leadership and experience. That and 20 cups of Egyptian coffee a day would be too much even for him.

[PhillyQuakesFan]

My point was that I'd take the team to the Confed Cup that I would bring to the World Cup if it started that day, aside from Guzan (and replacing him with Westberg or Robles only because we don't need to pull a MLS/Scandinavian GK away in the middle of their season to be the #3 keeper). Frankie is on the 23 as of right now, IMO--so he goes to South Africa. Same with Jozy and Freddie (who I would bet on to get some playing time at the Confed Cup anyway, particularly Jozy).

The Gold Cup team I posted is young, but it's got Lewis and Mastro for the leadership/experience factor. Hell, even bring Keller on the team if he's willing to accept that Guzan is the unquestioned #1 for the tournament. Or you could always drop a couple of the more marginal younger guys in favor of some Conrad/Albright/Wolff type guys.

It'll be good for the Gold Cup guys, too. It says to them that as of right now they're not on the WC roster, but they've got a little less than a year to step their game up. For the guys who are legitimately right on the cusp of cracking the top 23--Torres, Cooper, Wynne, Bornstein, maybe even EJ if he can regain his scoring touch--that might be the kick in the ass they need to beat out one of the guys ahead of them.

[Lord15]

I think Bob Bradley will use the Gold Cup for what it is - the perfect training ground for players on the outside looking in.

I think there will be some Euro overlap, Edu, Adu, Feilhaber, Szetela... but the Gold Cup is the perfect place to blood some of these guys.

Anyone besides me want to see 4-6 games featuring Cooper at forward, or Adu at attacking mid, Wynne at RB and Parkhurst getting 6 games at sweeper... Rogers getting 4-5

In many ways, I'm more interested in the GC than the confed cup. Especially if we struggle with guys in the Confed and our kids come out flying.


Wynne --- Parkhurst ---- Conrad ---- Bornstein

-------------Edu-----------------------------------

-------------------------Benny--------------------

-----------------Adu------------------------------

Davies-------------Cooper---------------Rogers



Fun too watch!

[bshredder]

I don't remember the source, but I heard the A team will be split between the two rosters.

I heard our complete A side is going to the Confederations Cup.

I would imagine that our Gold Cup roster will consist of B team players along with a player or two that will play in both tournaments.

[Wessoman]

I heard our complete A side is going to the Confederations Cup.

I would imagine that our Gold Cup roster will consist of B team players along with a player or two that will play in both tournaments.

Any player that plays in both tournaments would be a player who 1) Plays in Europe and 2) Has a secure spot.

The first point: BB is not going to call away an MLS player during the middle of the season for two months, so you can guess that the Confederations Cup roster will be European-Based. Any MLS based players used in the Confederations Cup will likely not be used in the Gold Cup. An example would be Chivas USA and the Columbus Crew-BB could call Kljestan and Hejduk into the Confederations Cup and Bornstein, Marshall and Rogers into the Gold Cup. This keeps clubs from being gutted for extended periods.

Secondly, the Gold Cup will take place during European preseason. As such, players who haven't secured a starting role within their clubs would very likely not want to miss that, so I can see players like Beasley and Pearce not playing in the Gold Cup to secure places in Europe. Then again, players like Dempsey and Whitbread will probably be fine missing preseason, having already secured positions on their sides. Furthermore, I can see some clubs like to give their bench players playing time--I can see clubs wanting guys like Edu and Altidore to get more time playing the Gold Cup rather than playing friendlies, but then again maybe not.

Using that theory, here would be my two rosters. BOLD indicates player will play both tournaments.

Confederations Cup (23-Man):
GK: Howard, Guzan, Hahnemman
DF: Bocanegra, Onyewu, Pearce, Cherundolo, DeMerit, Spector, Califf, Hejduk
MF: Bradley, Beasley, Dempsey, Adu, Edu, Szetela, Kljestan, Mastroeni
FW: Altidore, Donovan, Ching, Davies

Gold Cup (23-Man):
GK: Guzan, Hahnemman, Perkins
DF: Bornstein, Orozco, Whitbread, Goodson, Wynne, Marshall, Parkhurst, Simek
MF: Gaven, Dempsey, Torres, Shea, Clark, Holden, J. Johnson, Rogers
FW: Altidore, Cooper, Buddle, Rolfe

[deuteronomy]

I think anyone would be surprised if the "A" team were split up. The Confederations Cup will be an outstanding measuring stick a year prior to the World Cup.

It would be highly unlikely for anyone to play on both rosters. The only exception, I might see, might be a dark horse candidate like Stuart Holden or someone off the radar screen playing lights out soccer this MLS season and Bradley wanting to get a good look at him in two different sets of circumstances.

There might be a couple of potential "A" teamers who play the Gold Cup instead of the Confederations Cup. We have a log jam at central midfield and it might be the perfect opportunity to get a good look at Torres with Mastroeni. There are players who will play in the Gold Cup as an opportunity to prove themselves worthy of a ticket to South Africa. Bubble sitters as you will. I would put Szetela, Adu, Edu, Cooper, Davies, Rogers, Wynne and Thorrington in this category. It will be interesting to see who Bradley picks as a potential sub or benchwarmer for the Confederations Cup at the expense of possibly starting in the Gold Cup.

Keller, as much as we admire his contributions, would be unlikely to unretire from International comptetion to warm the bench or probably even start in the Gold Cup. It is time to see what some other players might do. Chris Seitz has played in 3 games at RSL, it would be unusual for him to leapfrog over more experienced senior goalkeeprs to play on either team.

[Martin Fischer]

Good analysis by both posters above. My comments are:

1, European-based players are unlikely to play in both tournaments as their off-seasons are so short -- possible exceptions would be guys like Adu who have nothing but an offseason so far. Altidore will probably be returning to Villareal and will want to have time in camp to establish himself.

2. Adu is the type of player who is likely to feature in the Gold Cup -- fringe young players with the talent to make a big spalsh, but who have not yet displaced older players. Others in this category would be Bornstein, Wynne, Rogers, Marshall, Edu, and Cooper. Some of these could play both tournaments, but I doubt it.

[Davids26]

I think anyone would be surprised if the "A" team were split up. The Confederations Cup will be an outstanding measuring stick a year prior to the World Cup.

It would be highly unlikely for anyone to play on both rosters. The only exception, I might see, might be a dark horse candidate like Stuart Holden or someone off the radar screen playing lights out soccer this MLS season and Bradley wanting to get a good look at him in two different sets of circumstances.

There might be a couple of potential "A" teamers who play the Gold Cup instead of the Confederations Cup. We have a log jam at central midfield and it might be the perfect opportunity to get a good look at Torres with Mastroeni. There are players who will play in the Gold Cup as an opportunity to prove themselves worthy of a ticket to South Africa. Bubble sitters as you will. I would put Szetela, Adu, Edu, Cooper, Davies, Rogers, Wynne and Thorrington in this category. It will be interesting to see who Bradley picks as a potential sub or benchwarmer for the Confederations Cup at the expense of possibly starting in the Gold Cup.

Keller, as much as we admire his contributions, would be unlikely to unretire from International comptetion to warm the bench or probably even start in the Gold Cup. It is time to see what some other players might do. Chris Seitz has played in 3 games at RSL, it would be unusual for him to leapfrog over more experienced senior goalkeeprs to play on either team.

Players like Adu and Altidore could easily play in both tournaments.

Keller never retired from international play. Not to say he should play in either, he won't have played a competitive match in over a year by the summer.

[SJB]

Players like Adu and Edu who don't have established starting jobs (or even starting reputations) need to be in club team's training camp from day one if at all possible. If Bradley wants to have them in a camp this summer it better be the one that doesn't interfere with their working to earn a starting spot with their club team. Earning a starting spot for a full season of professional games will do much more to get both of them ready for the WC then playing in a few extra games with the B teamers in the Gold Cup even if all they do is watch from the bench in the Confed Cup.

[FirstStar]

The Confed Cup is a dry run at the World Cup and USSoccer has said that they are treating it as such. Playing Brazil and Italy in our group should, theoretically, be harder than whatever group we draw. Taking the full A team to Confed gets them mentally prepared for the mountain we will have to climb in June 2010.

The Gold Cup is a joke and little more than an excellent opportunity to get hacked by skillless CONCACAF goons while clueless refs turn a blind eye. I suppose folks are making good points about trying out younger players, etc. etc. etc. But I still hate this off-cycle Gold Cup and think it should only be contested every 4 years like the rest of the soccer world does it. Bienniel Gold Cups (always in the USA) are just a money making schemes for Warner and his croneys.

[revving]

are the dates for Gold Cup available yet?

[braun]

Any player that plays in both tournaments would be a player who 1) Plays in Europe and 2) Has a secure spot.

The first point: BB is not going to call away an MLS player during the middle of the season for two months, so you can guess that the Confederations Cup roster will be European-Based. Any MLS based players used in the Confederations Cup will likely not be used in the Gold Cup. An example would be Chivas USA and the Columbus Crew-BB could call Kljestan and Hejduk into the Confederations Cup and Bornstein, Marshall and Rogers into the Gold Cup. This keeps clubs from being gutted for extended periods.

Secondly, the Gold Cup will take place during European preseason. As such, players who haven't secured a starting role within their clubs would very likely not want to miss that, so I can see players like Beasley and Pearce not playing in the Gold Cup to secure places in Europe. Then again, players like Dempsey and Whitbread will probably be fine missing preseason, having already secured positions on their sides. Furthermore, I can see some clubs like to give their bench players playing time--I can see clubs wanting guys like Edu and Altidore to get more time playing the Gold Cup rather than playing friendlies, but then again maybe not.

Using that theory, here would be my two rosters. BOLD indicates player will play both tournaments.

Confederations Cup (23-Man):
GK: Howard, Guzan, Hahnemman
DF: Bocanegra, Onyewu, Pearce, Cherundolo, DeMerit, Spector, Califf, Hejduk
MF: Bradley, Beasley, Dempsey, Adu, Edu, Szetela, Kljestan, Mastroeni
FW: Altidore, Donovan, Ching, Davies

Gold Cup (23-Man):
GK: Guzan, Hahnemman, Perkins
DF: Bornstein, Orozco, Whitbread, Goodson, Wynne, Marshall, Parkhurst, Simek
MF: Gaven, Dempsey, Torres, Shea, Clark, Holden, J. Johnson, Rogers
FW: Altidore, Cooper, Buddle, Rolfe

Spector is on the bench for West Ham. Edu (and Beasley) remains on the bench for Rangers.
Simek I don't think is dressing. Shea? is he really a midfielder? I guess all the others are capable of being called.

But Torres will be on the Confed roster and displace Szetela maybe.

[bshredder]

Ok.. let me give it a shot:

Confederations Cup

GK (3): Howard, Guzan, Perkins

Defense (8): Gooch, Bocanegra, Pearce, Cherundolo, Hedjuk, Califf, Parkhurst, Bornstein

Midfield (8): Dempsey, Bradley, Beasley, Mastroeni, Kljestan, Rogers, Torres, Adu,

Forwards (4): Altidore, Donovan, Ching, Davies


Gold Cup:

GK (3): Guzan, Hesmer, Robles

Defenders (8): Spector, Orozco, Marshall, Demerit, Wynne, Simek, Franklin, Gibbs

Midflielders (8): Gaven, Holden, Clark, Szetela, Edu, Zizzo, Feilhaber, Convey

Forwards (4): Cooper, Rolfe, Buddle, J. Johnson

Only Guzan overlaps for now. But I could see Adu playing in both if his club situation still sucks. He needs games.

[Adam Zebrowski]

agree with the direction of the confed cup roster...

if you're a euro, riding the bench, i can see you doing both, guys like adu and altidore fitting into the equation..

however altidore at xerex might have played quite a bit, so preselecting confed cup and giving him a rest for gold cup would be my approach...

gold cup, usa starting 11 can bypass it, and usa goes with the next best 11 starters...too bad for any mls team here....