RIP Sid Vicious

[wcgcapone]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/2/newsid_2523000/2523601.stm

[655321]

A sad story, but he's nowhere near a hero or even a little bit cool.

[Frankfurt Blue]

Sid Vicious?
Not a hero, not cool? Of course you are right. But he just was from a bygone era, where he fitted in. Just like many other dead heros, from musical history.

Would the following be seen as cool today?

Marc Bolan, Curt Cobain, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison? They were right for their time, and their early deaths seem to place them in people's minds, with rose-tinted glasses, especially as they died relatively young, as heros???!!!

Also, add John Lennon. Beatles, perhaps the greatest group ever and probably can be argued over and over, pros and cons, for and against. However, since the Beatles split, what did he really do? Pah!

Then there are those that should have left the stage: the Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, Bob Dillon......(I leave the endless list to yourselves).

[655321]

Originally posted by Frankfurt Blue
Sid Vicious?
Not a hero, not cool? Of course you are right. But he just was from a bygone era, where he fitted in. Just like many other dead heros, from musical history.

Would the following be seen as cool today?

Marc Bolan, Curt Cobain, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison? They were right for their time, and their early deaths seem to place them in people's minds, with rose-tinted glasses, especially as they died relatively young, as heros???!!!

Also, add John Lennon. Beatles, perhaps the greatest group ever and probably can be argued over and over, pros and cons, for and against. However, since the Beatles split, what did he really do? Pah!

Then there are those that should have left the stage: the Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, Bob Dillon......(I leave the endless list to yourselves).

I'm not even gonna start on the absolute ignorance of this insane reply, cause I know someone else will that can probably say it alot better than I can.

[Frankfurt Blue]

Originally posted by 655321
I'm not even gonna start on the absolute ignorance of this insane reply, cause I know someone else will that can probably say it alot better than I can.

Ignorance is bliss.

The Sex pistols were right for their time. Heros of their day. That is what I meant. Same applies to those mentioned. The world and music doesn't stop because a musician (who did touch people's hearts) died. They wouldn't want it either.

[655321]

To say Sid Vicious is anywhere near the same ballpark as people like Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Marc Bolan, and Jimi Hendrix is mental deficiency of the hightest order. First of all, these people were actually able to play their instruments and write songs. Second of all...oh, never mind, you wouldn't get it anyway.

My original point is that Sid Vicious is hardly an important musical figure. He's more of just a pop culture side note.

[Rambler]

Sid Vicious was a tool, but you have to ask yourslef, will the BBC be writing an obituary about you ?

He lived his short life to the full.

[wcgcapone]

The Pistols came along and changed things when they needed to be changed. No Pistols, no Clash. No Clash no Specials, no Specials no Madness, no Madness no new wave.

[nancyb]

I think we covered this topic in the, "Daddy, Where Did Punk Come From?" thread. Jeez - I was just listening to my Blondie, Plastic Letters record the other day. Recorded in 1977. The movement was already underway, the Pistols just got the most press.

[Frankfurt Blue]

Originally posted by 655321
To say Sid Vicious is anywhere near the same ballpark as people like Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Marc Bolan, and Jimi Hendrix is mental deficiency of the hightest order. First of all, these people were actually able to play their instruments and write songs. Second of all...oh, never mind, you wouldn't get it anyway.

My original point is that Sid Vicious is hardly an important musical figure. He's more of just a pop culture side note.

I was not trying to get into an argument over this. If you took it the wrong way, well sorry. But I was trying to get a point across that you can view things in many ways. I just like to debunk and challenge the popularly accepted views held by the press and our peers, and make my own mind up. Can't you stretch your horizons a little?

Added to that, saying I wouldn't get it, is a little off track. You don't know me, nor have you seen my musical collection. Some of these 'heroes' recordings I possess myself.

[Frankfurt Blue]

Originally posted by nancyb
I think we covered this topic in the, "Daddy, Where Did Punk Come From?" thread. Jeez - I was just listening to my Blondie, Plastic Letters record the other day. Recorded in 1977. The movement was already underway, the Pistols just got the most press.

Recorded in 1977? The movement was well underway in the early 70s in NewYork, eg the NY Dolls.

However, it is funny that Blondie had to come to the UK to get the career ball fully rolling. Like much in popular music, started off in the States and refined/defined in the UK.

[Dr. Wankler]

Sid was an idiot and the Sex Pistols were every bit as fabricated as The Monkees had been a few years earlier. John Lydon knows this. You should be able to accept it too.

[Frankfurt Blue]

Originally posted by Dr. Wankler
Sid was an idiot and the Sex Pistols were every bit as fabricated as The Monkees had been a few years earlier. John Lydon knows this. You should be able to accept it too.

Are you talking to me? Accept what?

I was just trying to make a point that clearly passed by.

Manufactured? How so? Malcolm McClaren, manufacturing a band? NEVER!

[Footix]

Originally posted by wcgcapone
no Madness no new wave.

that's quite a leap...

[Frankfurt Blue]

Originally posted by Footix
that's quite a leap...

Was he really trying to link punk with ska and new wave? They are not really related musically.

[wcgcapone]

The 2Tone "movement" got steam from the Specials opening for the Clash. They were a coverband that remade Jamaican oldies but they were brought into the light by their association with "The only band that matters" who in turn started out by opening for the Pistols...

[krolpolski]

Originally posted by wcgcapone
The Pistols came along and changed things when they needed to be changed. No Pistols, no Clash. No Clash no Specials, no Specials no Madness, no Madness no new wave.

No Ramones tour of the UK, no Sex Pistols.

[Dyvel]

Sid had almost as much talent as Janet Jackson's nipple.

http://www.hotshotdigital.com/WellAlwaysRemember.2/SidVicious.Images/sid1.jpg

[the_baron]

Originally posted by wcgcapone
The 2Tone "movement" got steam from the Specials opening for the Clash. They were a coverband that remade Jamaican oldies but they were brought into the light by their association with "The only band that matters" who in turn started out by opening for the Pistols...

There was a Famous Pistols Gig in Manchester, the Buzzcocks were the Support, which featured in '24 Hour Party People'. The likes of Bernard Sumner, Ian Curtis, Morrisey and Mick Hucknall (this is not a Joke) attended.