Foreign player limits?

[EstebanLugo]

In today's modern and globalized world Colombia still maintains this 3(1) rule meaning that only 3 foreigners can play while another one is on the bench and can only come in replacing another foreigner.

Given that part of the brilliance and coolness of the European game comes from the diversity of nationalities and in order for our clubs to be more competitive internationality shouldn't the foreign limits be expanded or even repelled?? Look at the Mexican league. It's true that we don't have the economic power to get foreign players of the same quality but still, I believe more foreign players could make our teams stronger in international competitions. More competition only benefits our young players. Just look where our "protectionist" rule of a mandatory Colombian youngster on each game has taken us: another failure with the U-20 NT. I'm not saying we should scrap the rule, but we should still expand the foreign limit IMO.

Among the options I'm including the idea that came out a few years ago that the limit could be repelled but only for players from Andean nations (ECU, BOL, PER, VEN and i'd throw in PAN).

[dapip]

It depends on what you want. I would say that Colombia does not have the money to bring more than a few quality foreigners and that our main target is to develop local talent to export it. In that sense we do not need more foreigners. As a matter of fact, only a few teams actually use the full number of imports if any.

While I agree with you in that this a world that is becoming smaller and smaller, our integration process (what process :confused:) is ages behind say NAFTA or the EU. And even with a fully integrated Europe, they maintain the limit for non-comunitarian players. Furthermore, probably you'd see a "few" more foreigners in top/rich leagues that get money out of TV and advertising with ease, while second tier/smaller leagues still have to bet heavily in player development since transfers are a big part of their budget.

And, last but no least, remember that the Andean Pact is in death throes if not difunt by now. Thanks Hugo!!!!

[minus]

In Europe it was a decision by default due to European labor laws. Joseph Blatter believes that European labor laws have no place in Football world, consequently some nations have suffered as their own players see less of the pitch thus having weaker national teams than previous years (England). I also shared the same opinion as Joseph Blatter.

[EstebanLugo]

Who cares about the status of the Andean pact?? And who cares that Venezuela (and much less Panama) are not in it?? bottom line: Who the hell cares about what our fat ass corrupted politicians want to do??? This is futbol! We could adopt the rule unilaterally and that would help getting more of the NT quality players from those countries which have been proven successful in our league.

[dapip]

Who cares about the status of the Andean pact?? And who cares that Venezuela (and much less Panama) are not in it?? bottom line: Who the hell cares about what our fat ass corrupted politicians want to do??? This is futbol! We could adopt the rule unilaterally and that would help getting more of the NT quality players from those countries which have been proven successful in our league.

No you can't. While football could be the most important thing in life for you, is still an economic activity regulated by governments. In that sense we cannot ignore labor and economic regulations and thanks to the near-death estate of the Andean Pact work visas are still required for foreign players even if they come from andean nations.

As minus pointed out, the situation in Europe is a result of labor laws and economic regulations, not exactly the idea of football's wigheads. Blatter has been pushing this 5+6 shit to try to put some limit to foreign players in England, Spain, Italy and Germany among others. When Arsenal does not start an English player and Inter pretty much plays with one or maybe two (is Balotelli Italian?), the whole foreign player thing gets riduculous.

Do not get me wrong, I agree with you politics and football should not go hand in hand, but until we reach some kind of integration you are just day-dreaming if you expect to bypass laws.

[EstebanLugo]

No you can't. While football could be the most important thing in life for you, is still an economic activity regulated by governments. In that sense we cannot ignore labor and economic regulations and thanks to the near-death estate of the Andean Pact work visas are still required for foreign players even if they come from andean nations.


I'm saying ignore politics. Not ignore laws. It's different. Btw, are there any regulations imposing the player limit we have? Is there a limit on working visas that a company can give in this country? If any of this is true, please enlighten us.

[dapip]

I'm saying ignore politics. Not ignore laws. It's different. Btw, are there any regulations imposing the player limit we have? Is there a limit on working visas that a company can give in this country? If any of this is true, please enlighten us.


I did not mean that. I meant that even if Dimayor o Colfutbol decided to abolish the foreign player limit, you cannot just bring foreigners and have them show an Andean nation passport like (apparently) they can do in Europe. You have to follow the established procedures. Furthermore you do not have a EU type agency up your arse pushing you to abolish the limits.

Want to know about Visa requirements, here they are and while it indicates that there are some limit for foreign nationals, there is an exception for sport related activities.

http://www.cancilleria.gov.co/WebContentManager/Repositorys/site0/Resolucion_0255_de_2005_visas.doc

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But you're right Dimayor/Colfutbol could go ahead and ignore the limit by themselves.

[crzdcolombian]

LOOK WE GET CRAP FORIEGNERS AND HALF OF THEM DONT EVEN END UP PLAYING OR LOSE THERE SPOTS TO SUB 20 PLAYER HAHA...

why this even a discussion.... look at America de Cali they have 4 and left all 4 in colombia.....

we have 3 good foriegners in the whole league Caneo(always injured), Berbia(..... verdict is still out on him) and Bobadilla(dont like him but he is good)

decent ...
Lara(periera/ecua havent seen him enough), 2 vens of Santa Fe, Fano, Cabera(might have been a 1 season wonder tho), panamians are usally pretty good

overhyped
hurtado(hasbin), all the argies/brazilians in the league

Look we get them to get them but for the most part its not a big deal

[Tio Nicci]

LOOK WE GET CRAP FORIEGNERS AND HALF OF THEM DONT EVEN END UP PLAYING OR LOSE THERE SPOTS TO SUB 20 PLAYER HAHA...

why this even a discussion.... look at America de Cali they have 4 and left all 4 in colombia.....

we have 3 good foriegners in the whole league Caneo(always injured), Berbia(..... verdict is still out on him) and Bobadilla(dont like him but he is good)

decent ...
Lara(periera/ecua havent seen him enough), 2 vens of Santa Fe, Fano, Cabera(might have been a 1 season wonder tho), panamians are usally pretty good

overhyped
hurtado(hasbin), all the argies/brazilians in the league

Look we get them to get them but for the most part its not a big deal

batalla is pretty good :p

Anyways, I think the Foreign rule should increase a little bit. having 3-4 for foriegn spots, Whilist we can still produce talent from our groud but also help the Colombian Market expand to international exposure. As long we don't become like European teams and Mexican team to have foreign players take over the league with the exception of Chivas and Bilbao.

[crzdcolombian]

batalla is pretty good :p

Anyways, I think the Foreign rule should increase a little bit. having 3-4 for foriegn spots, Whilist we can still produce talent from our groud but also help the Colombian Market expand to international exposure. As long we don't become like European teams and Mexican team to have foreign players take over the league with the exception of Chivas and Bilbao.

our league has no money it will never be an issiue... unless Boca/River start letting us steal or borrow their youth products like they do for the chilean league. Good players dont want to come to play in colombia.... this is the problem. Our teams dont pay that well, and we still have the image of being unsafe

[elviejomen]

i think the way it is, is good or even make it smaller that way we HAVE to produce more players to fill up those spots. If the leage had a lot of money like it used to have so then yeah bring quality players from other leagues, but the buying capacity in colombian clubs is small so if we are lucky we get a caneo, blas perez, bobadilla or fano.
You know what would be interesting that someone put the list of fogeirners in the colombian leage and see who actually deserve the spot

[EstebanLugo]

You people fail to realize that whatever half-decent Colombian player our league produces gets sold almost instantly. And the market for domestic players is ridiculously overpricend that's why everybody keeps loaning players. That's why we can't be competitive anymore at club level. We will never win a Libertadores again with the current foreigner limit whereas if we do increase it, we can expect that if the economic conditions are right a team can mount a serious challenge with quality foreigners.

[EstebanLugo]

You know what would be interesting that someone put the list of fogeirners in the colombian leage and see who actually deserve the spot

http://www.futbolred.com/mustang/noticias/fecha1apertura09/informe-futbolred-los-extranjeros-del-futbol-profesional-colombiano/4795684