How big is the rivalry between US/Mex

[studloans]

Ok..I really would like to hear the comments from non-Americans and non-Mexicans.
A few months ago, I heard some American based sports announcer say that this rivalry is one of the biggest rivalries (football) in the world. I just watch the Studio 90 video for 2-8-2009 on US Soccer and DMB mentioned the same thing.

How big is this rivalry?

[That Phat Hat]

How big is this rivalry?About 6'2", 180 pounds.

[studloans]

About 6'2", 180 pounds.
A wee bit short are we?
me: 6'9", 240 lbs....

[That Phat Hat]

A wee bit short are we?
me: 6'9", 240 lbs....Well, we are talking about Mexicans and American soccer players. 6'2" is pretty generous.

A more serious response - I don't know if there is any good way to measure the magnitude of a rivalry, but as far as international rivalrise are concerned, yeah, USA vs Mexico has to be up there.

Off the top of my head, here's what I think of as rivalries of note, in no particular order:
Brazil vs Argentina
Argentina vs England
Germany vs England
Germany vs Netherlands
Scotland vs England
Portugal vs Spain
Japan vs Korea
Honduras vs El Salvador

Honestly, I have no idea how to compare rivalries, but here's what US vs Mexico has going for it:
* Proximity between US and Mex.
* We have Mexican immigrants and ex-pats in the US, so they're among us!!!
* Both teams are about comparable in quality
* One team is a traditional power, the other is a more recent arrival in the world scene
* They always play each other twice in WCQ, and each match is significant because of the group size
* Players genuinely hate each other

[Excape Goat]

Well, we are talking about Mexicans and American soccer players. 6'2" is pretty generous.

A more serious response - I don't know if there is any good way to measure the magnitude of a rivalry, but as far as international rivalrise are concerned, yeah, USA vs Mexico has to be up there.

Off the top of my head, here's what I think of as rivalries of note, in no particular order:
Brazil vs Argentina
Argentina vs England
Germany vs England
Germany vs Netherlands
Scotland vs England
Portugal vs Spain
Japan vs Korea
Honduras vs El Salvador

Honestly, I have no idea how to compare rivalries, but here's what US vs Mexico has going for it:
* Proximity between US and Mex.
* We have Mexican immigrants and ex-pats in the US, so they're among us!!!
* Both teams are about comparable in quality
* One team is a traditional power, the other is a more recent arrival in the world scene
* They always play each other twice in WCQ, and each match is significant because of the group size
* Players genuinely hate each other


I have nothing to add.

Pros(in addition to yours):
-- Both countries also have some bitter politcial history between them(the Mexican War).


Cons:
-- The rivalry is too new compared to Argentina-England, Germany-England, Argentina-Brazil, etc.

[Dimuha]

It can't be rated that highly when only one country is passionate about the sport and the match-up.

If the States loses it won't cause even a ripple in the sports landscape here.

[cmedina1983]

I'm actually glad all of the replies so far have been well thought out and pretty well based in reality. I actually expected replies to mirror something like what a mindless douchebag wrote in an article recently stating that the USA vs Mexico is the world's greatest football rivalry.

[studloans]

I'm actually glad all of the replies so far have been well thought out and pretty well based in reality. I actually expected replies to mirror something like what a mindless douchebag wrote in an article recently stating that the USA vs Mexico is the world's greatest football rivalry.

do you have a link to that article. i would like to read it.
thanks,
c

[Clinical Striker redded]

Both can't play ball that well especially the US and A is horrible, freaking horrible.

[Bluebirds Boyo]

Cons:
-- The rivalry is too new compared to Argentina-England, Germany-England, Argentina-Brazil, etc.
That's only twenty years old...

[cmedina1983]

do you have a link to that article. i would like to read it.
thanks,
c

Have fun:

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/66/united-states/2009/02/03/1091873/davis-why-us-mexico-is-soccers-greatest-rivalry

[Auriaprottu]

Both can't play ball that well especially the US and A is horrible, freaking horrible.

That's not true. They're both solid teams, and Mexico consistently reaches the KO stages of the Cup.

[Caesar]

That's only twenty years old...
Not at all. It has its roots in the English origin of Argentinian football, and has been quite a bitter rivalry since the Steal of the Century in 1966.

[harkes6]

it's growing...

[zizouForlife]

rivalries are born from purely sporting reasons but other factors influence them such as geographical location and politics, regardless though, rivalries can be classified as follows

club : e.g. (inter vs milan), (barcelona vs real madrid)

continental: e.g. (france vs italy), (england vs scotland)

international: e.g. (Argentina vs germany), (italy vs brazil)

with the said, mexico/u.s.a. rivalry would be placed in the continental rivalry. its the biggest in CENTRAL/NORTH AMERICA.

is it as rich as other rivalries ? of course not, but its getting there

[United9006]

Although the quality of football between the two countries isn't the same as maybe a France / Italy rivalry that doesn't diminish the animosity that comes when they face each other. Even American soccer fans that realize the U.S. can't compete on the world stage still love beating Mexico in any qualifier or friendly at anytime, and hate losing to their border rivals.

[O Fenômeno]

Only reason why it is bigger than it is..

The whole immigration issue I think.

[Big Soccer Member]

As somebody mentioned previously, if the United States lost then it won't cause a ripple in the sporting landscape. It won't be front page new the next day, and it wo't be talked about for a long time. If England lost to Scotland, or Brazil to Argentina then it is huge news across the whole country. Don't really think it can be considered that big a rivalry because of this.

[glennaldo_sf]

I would say locally speaking, it's a huge matchup - as its all about regional supremacy...on a global scale... hmm, I don't think too many neutrals would stay up to watch the game like Brazil v Argentina or England v Germany so no I wouldn't say it's 'one of the world's biggest matchups' as not too many non-fans of the two sides show that much interest. However, I think it's a unique matchup that tilts who the regional superpower is. There are also contributing factors (political, cultural, historical, etc.) that have already been mentioned. So I think it definitely does deserve some global respect as a regional cup-final of some sorts.

[RJWelho]

Intensity of the rivalry is evidenced by the home records. It's both a pro and a con that the away team can't seem to get any traction...