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Leeds92
06 Feb 2009, 08:09 PM
I was playing recently playing FIFA '08 using my favourite team Leeds United. After a couple of seasons I had amassed a mountain of Premier League titles, ECC's, UEFA Cups, Super Cups, FA, League and Charity shields.

In the first season at the premier league I beat both Chelsea and Man U 5-0 no problems.

Whilst I live in dream land of what could only be wishful thinking it makes me wonder whether the designers of these actually have a clue about footballing tactics, styles of play, set-ups etc.

How is it that, even on the harder settings the computer utilises the same style of play, albeit slightly more agressively?

This leads me to think, in a hypothetical situation if there were two similar teams with equal players, etc, could a computer develop the best strategy and set up against this team that would be superior to a human?

Also in the transfer market could a computer make a more astute purchase with the player data it is given?

Excape Goat
06 Feb 2009, 08:32 PM
For transfers, No. In a business deal, it is not about numbers. Personal approach matters. The club chairmen, directors, coaches and managers all need to sell their club to the player. And then, they need to bargain with the agents and the selling club directors. A computer lacks the personal charm to beat a human being.

Kevin8833
06 Feb 2009, 10:37 PM
I was playing recently playing FIFA '08 using my favourite team Leeds United. After a couple of seasons I had amassed a mountain of Premier League titles, ECC's, UEFA Cups, Super Cups, FA, League and Charity shields.

In the first season at the premier league I beat both Chelsea and Man U 5-0 no problems.

Whilst I live in dream land of what could only be wishful thinking it makes me wonder whether the designers of these actually have a clue about footballing tactics, styles of play, set-ups etc.

How is it that, even on the harder settings the computer utilises the same style of play, albeit slightly more agressively?

This leads me to think, in a hypothetical situation if there were two similar teams with equal players, etc, could a computer develop the best strategy and set up against this team that would be superior to a human?

Also in the transfer market could a computer make a more astute purchase with the player data it is given?To make my answer simple, no.

Cirdan
07 Feb 2009, 05:28 PM
For a computer game like FIFA '08, yes you can build an ai coach that outperforms every human coach. If you know exactly how the result of a match and transfers are calculated, it shouldn't be that difficult to design a perfect coach that always makes the optimal choice, but even if you don't, given enough test data to calibrate your coach, you can make a pretty good one.


For "real world data", it's a bit more difficult... I believe with sufficient data, we could make an ai that can decide on line-ups, tactics, and probably who to buy. But I don't think the available data is already sufficient, and as it was said before, no computer can replace human interaction.