Commander: Iran's Stealth Aircraft to Fly Soon

[Iranian Monitor]

Iran's airforce, arguably the weakest link in Iran's armed forces at the moment, needs to accelerate its programs. The many advances by Iran in related technologies, in terms of air-to-air missiles, stealth technology, engine production, munitions and radar, need to be translated into developing the necessary platforms to best utilize these advances.

Manufacturing an adequate number of 5th generation fighter planes, along with developing and/or acquiring anti-aircraft/missile systems like the Russian S-300, would go a long way to cover one of Iran's few remaining weak points.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8711152084

Commander: Iran's Stealth Aircraft to Fly Soon

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian Air force Commander Brigadier General Hassan Shahsafi Tuesday announced that Iran's home-made radar-evading aircraft will join the country's fleet within the next 8 months.

"Military Experts are working on the radar-evading aircraft and God willing its test flight will be done in the first half of the next (Iranian) year (beginning on March 20)," Shahsafi told reporters here in Tehran.

He added that the experts have already designed and manufactured the aircraft in a one-seventh scale.

"After test flights and equipment testing, the project will be transferred to the defense ministry for the start of mass production," the Iranian air force general reiterated.
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The commander also reiterated the craftsmanship of Iranian experts, and said that they enjoy the most advanced technologies in producing military tools and equipment.

Referring to the test-firing of a heat-tracing air-to-air missile, Shahsafi announced, "The test was successfully done in two phases and we are increasing our missiles' range in line with our defensive doctrine," he said.

The military official said that the missile which has a range of 40 kilometers has been successfully fired in two separate tests in Tabriz and near Tehran, "and now we are increasing its range."
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[Scarecrow]

Well aside from this being a typical all fluff and no fact article, there is nothing to support that they actually have a plane even made. Well except that 1/7th size model. :p

This is nothing more then another propaganda piece about a fictitious stealth plane from iran.

Now as for 5th Generation planes. There are currently only 2 that have been developed with only 2 others even on the books to be made.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0182.shtml

Fifth Generation Fighters (circa 2000 to ?)

The technologies that best epitomize fifth generation fighters are advanced integrated avionics systems that provide the pilot with a complete picture of the battlespace and the use of low observable "stealth" techniques. The F-22 and F-35 are the only fifth generation fighters developed to date, but Russia hopes that technologies being created by the Mikoyan Gurevich MFI and Sukhoi Su-47 may make them competitors in that market.

Generation 4.5 planes

Other members of this generation include:

Boeing F-18E/F Super Hornet
Sukhoi Su-30
Sukhoi Su-33
Sukhoi Su-35
Eurofighter Typhoon
Saab Gripen
Dassault Rafale

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/india-russia-in-negotiations-re-nextgeneration-fighter-03133/

Russia’s SU-27/30 Flanker family fighters were invented in the 1980s and 1990s, and attempted to incorporate the lessons from America’s “teen series” fighters (F-14, F-15, F-16, F/A-18) into their designs. They were successful, and India’s Air Force may now be flying the world’s second best air superiority fighter in the SU-30MKI.

Meanwhile, the USA is creating “5th generation” fighters like the F-22A Raptor that offer full stealth,
supermaneuverability, an advanced AESA radar, huge computing power that creates a single “sensor fusion” picture from the plane’s array of embedded sensors and datalinks, and the ability to “supercruise” above Mach 1 instead of just making short supersonic dashes. To a lesser extent, there’s also the cheaper F-35 Lightning II, with some stealth, a smaller AESA radar, sensor fusion, and even more sensors embedded around the aircraft.

It is clear that only the US, and Russia have the ability to create 5th Gen fighters. And India working with Russia are in the mix for one.

Leave the propaganda for IN, we deal with facts in this forum.

[CrimsonChin00]

Since when does Iran have the capabillity? Seems like an equal amount of failure just like the world largest sandwich.

[Iranian Monitor]

Here is a video with footage about the Iranian airforce, with F-14 Tomcats and Iran's own Saeghe fighters among the aircraft featured in the video.

YouTube - Cradle of the Brave - ??? ??????

[Scarecrow]

Video of a true 5th Gen aircraft
YouTube - F-22 Supermanouverability

[Iranian Monitor]

In light of a discussion a while back, I thought I would post this video of the shipyards where the Jamaran destroyer and the Tareq submarine are being built.

YouTube - Iranian Naval Industry

[Scarecrow]

Well after failing to show anything on this false stealth plane, we now get video of some ships being built. :rolleyes:

[valanjak]

Its always refreshing to see another Iran thread in this forum turned into a dick measuring contest by some members.
Thanks from the info IM.

[DoyleG]

Here is a video with footage about the Iranian airforce, with F-14 Tomcats and Iran's own Saeghe fighters among the aircraft featured in the video.

YouTube - Cradle of the Brave - ??? ?????? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA6nQykCIl4)

That's a a video for Shab's Used Military Aircraft Emporium.

[DoyleG]

Its always refreshing to see another Iran thread in this forum turned into a dick measuring contest by some members.

Then you Iranians should keep your pants zipped up.

[valanjak]

Then you Iranians should keep your pants zipped up.

More like maybe you non-Iranians not post in a thread that you have no good intentions. This thread is like a playground where a 6 year old kid keeps bragging about his toys being better .

[Scarecrow]

This forum was requested so people who actually know something about the military, who Actually served in the military could discuss military equipment and tactics etc...

If you want to post propaganda bullshit, do it in IN. Not here. If you want to make bullshit claims about equipment and what is being made, do it in IN not here. If you do it in here, we will beat it down and show how stupid the post is. Which I have done by defining what makes stealth and 5th Gen aircraft as well as providing video proof of what one looks like. Not ancient relics of American Aircraft and cheap knockoffs of old American planes and designs.

And what does a video of ships have to do with anything in this thread? Nothing.

As for the topic, this so called 'stealth' aircraft is nothing more then a 1/7th size model plane. It doesn't exist.

As a comparison, when I discussed the US Navy's Railgun, I showed video of a successful test and provided detailed sources of how it is being made. We see none of this here. Just a propaganda piece from a disreputable source.

Now, this is pretty simple. Leave the propaganda for IN, and leave the military talk to those who actually know something about it.

[valanjak]

There were a lot of discussions about opening this forum because of the fact that the people who requested this forum were too often associated with the problems with Iranian members that existed at the time. And as I remember one of criteria’s for this forum strictly stated that this forum shall not be another platform for IRAN vs. USA battle what is exactly happening in this thread because of the replies after IM’s original post.

[Scarecrow]

There were a lot of discussions about opening this forum because of the fact that the people who requested this forum were too often associated with the problems with Iranian members that existed at the time. And as I remember one of criteria’s for this forum strictly stated that this forum shall not be another platform for IRAN vs. USA battle what is exactly happening in this thread because of the replies after IM’s original post.

No, what is happening is that IM posted more propaganda and drivel about a plane that doesn't exist. Plus he made statements concerning 5th gen aircraft of which he doesn't have a clue about and I posted a detailed explanation of what 5th gen aircraft are. Then we get some video on ships which have nothing to do with this thread at all.

I have not posted anything about US planes being far far superior to these relics and knockoffs iran is making. Instead I have provided evidence showing reality of planes that actually exist and are in production.

It is very simple here. If you post about a plane or tech, make sure it has been tested or is based in fact. Not some propaganda from some nitwit.

Commander: Iran's Stealth Aircraft to Fly Soon

TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian Air force Commander Brigadier General Hassan Shahsafi Tuesday announced that Iran's home-made radar-evading aircraft will join the country's fleet within the next 8 months.

"Military Experts are working on the radar-evading aircraft and God willing its test flight will be done in the first half of the next (Iranian) year (beginning on March 20)," Shahsafi told reporters here in Tehran.

He added that the experts have already designed and manufactured the aircraft in a one-seventh scale.

This whole thread should have waited until they had something more then a model plane.

[entropy]

:rolleyes:

Iran's version of stealth aircraft = a plane that wears a veil.

[Iranian Monitor]

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And what does a video of ships have to do with anything in this thread? Nothing.
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I posted that video because you had pestered me in a totally unrelated thread, accusing Iran of "propaganda", relying on some drivel posted in a site called "Strategy page", disputing two things specifically: Iran's progress in its missile program, which to me was obvious even before and in light of the 2-stage SLV Iran used to launch a satellite into space, is not even open to debate anymore. And, secondly, making this stupid argument:

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=16355543

As usual allot of chest thumping and bravado but no REAL evidence to support your propaganda claims.

It is well known throughout the world that iran photoshopped their images of the missile launch. Only a liar would debate otherwise.

As for these phantom subs, aside from the few iran bought from Russia, they don't have any. They don't make any, and if so, where are these supposed shipyards? Believe it or not, but the US actually does have the ability to tell when subs are being built and where. It is old hat for us.

So where are these subs being built IM? Give you a hint, it will have to be on a coast line. When were they launched? And given the propensity for iran's military to hold grandiose events over minor acheviements, they would certainly have had a big to do over launching there own built subs.

Of course, I have posted pictures of some of the subs Iran has built before. But the purpose of the video of the sub and destroyer being built was to underline clearly the sources that are engaged in "propaganda".

You don't need to thank me for clearing up some misconceptions in your mind. But when you talk about propaganda, just remember that if the facts were as presented by your sources:

1) Iran would not have any F-14s capable of flying.
2) Iran would not have 5,000 centrifuges operating and would not have the quantities of low enriched uranium it has been able to enrich.
3) Iran would not be able to have a satellite launched into space on any rocket, much less a 2-stage rocket which clearly indicates Iran has the techncial capability to build ICBMs if it wanted to.
4) And Iran would not have the capability to build the planes, missiles, fighter aircraft, submarines, tanks and a lot more, that it has built and is building.

When Iran says that it is working on a stealth figther plane and that those planes will be entering service by next year, just take that to mean what it says.

[Iranian Monitor]

That's a a video for Shab's Used Military Aircraft Emporium.

It is a video that includes aircraft purchased by the Shah more than 30 years ago. And which Iran, contrary to what Western experts had hoped and often claimed would be the case, is still capable of flying. Capable because it has been able to develop much of the parts required for those planes.

Iran's ability to still fly the F-14 is truly amazing. Even the US navy had problems operating that plane, which is very maintenance intensive. Yet, Iran has been able to have its old fleet of F-14s operation thirty years after the revolution despite US sanctions. I have a copy of a book by Anthony Cordesman (supposedly the foremost American military expert on Iran) on the "Military Balance" in the Persian Gulf written in the early 1990s, when he claimed by that by the mid 1990s, Iran will not be able to fly any of its American built planes and certainly none of its F-14s.

The video also includes Iran's own domestically manufactured fighters, named Saeghe, as well as many different types of Russian built fighters and bombers.

[Chicago1871]

More like maybe you non-Iranians not post in a thread that you have no good intentions. This thread is like a playground where a 6 year old kid keeps bragging about his toys being better .
I believe it was Muhammad Ali who said, "It isn't bragging if you can back it up."

[Scarecrow]

I posted that video because you had pestered me in a totally unrelated thread, accusing Iran of "propaganda", relying on some drivel posted in a site called "Strategy page", disputing two things specifically: Iran's progress in its missile program, which to me was obvious even before and in light of the 2-stage SLV Iran used to launch a satellite into space, is not even open to debate anymore. And, secondly, making this stupid argument:

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=16355543



Of course, I have posted pictures of some of the subs Iran has built before. But the purpose of the video of the sub and destroyer being built was to underline clearly the sources that are engaged in "propaganda".

You don't need to thank me for clearing up some misconceptions in your mind. But when you talk about propaganda, just remember that if the facts were as presented by your sources:

1) Iran would not have any F-14s capable of flying.
2) Iran would not have 5,000 centrifuges operating and would not have the quantities of low enriched uranium it has been able to enrich.
3) Iran would not be able to have a satellite launched into space on any rocket, much less a 2-stage rocket which clearly indicates Iran has the techncial capability to build ICBMs if it wanted to.
4) And Iran would not have the capability to build the planes, missiles, fighter aircraft, submarines, tanks and a lot more, that it has built and is building.

When Iran says that it is working on a stealth figther plane and that those planes will be entering service by next year, just take that to mean what it says.


Wow it took you til now from 25 Nov 2008, 01:59 PM to post a reply? And you couldn't put it in the correct thread either.

Your post proves nothing. Those ships and subs in that video could be anything. I am not buying what you are selling here. Provide a reputable link that gives some details on what this video is showing.

As for those F-14's, keep on with that one. Those mighty F-4's and F-14's are sure a threat to the US. :rolleyes:

As for the centrifuges, you can thank Pakistan, and Russia for the know how to build them. And as for the rocket, again, Russia, North Korea, and Pakistan get credit there as well.

And sorry, but the myth of this stealth plane from iran will remain just that. Hell iran has yet to come up with there own plane. Just knockoffs of superior American built planes.

[Scarecrow]

It is a video that includes aircraft purchased by the Shah more than 30 years ago. And which Iran, contrary to what Western experts had hoped and often claimed would be the case, is still capable of flying. Capable because it has been able to develop much of the parts required for those planes.

Iran's ability to still fly the F-14 is truly amazing. Even the US navy had problems operating that plane, which is very maintenance intensive. Yet, Iran has been able to have its old fleet of F-14s operation thirty years after the revolution despite US sanctions. I have a copy of a book by Anthony Cordesman (supposedly the foremost American military expert on Iran) on the "Military Balance" in the Persian Gulf written in the early 1990s, when he claimed by that by the mid 1990s, Iran will not be able to fly any of its American built planes and certainly none of its F-14s.

The video also includes Iran's own domestically manufactured fighters, named Saeghe, as well as many different types of Russian built fighters and bombers.


Show some proof that the US Navy had problems operating the F-14. We ran out 4 variants of the plane including a Super Tomcat. What you know about the F-14 wouldn't fill a thimble.

http://spottertoulousain.free.fr/articles/saegheh.jpg

Now a F-5
http://www.military-aircraft.org.uk/jet-fighter-planes/northrop-f-5-freedom-fighter.jpg

F/A-18
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc70/streetrally/7a.jpg