View Full Version : Benitez v Houllier
canadianscraggledog
03 Feb 2009, 12:35 AM
Just curious what everyone feels. I thought I'd add these stats as the
'fire Benitez' thread was closed.
I like Benitez and feel we should stick to him as we have been getter better and better each season. I do believe he can win the EPL. I only wish he would sub players in earlier than 70min and be more adventurous in his formation.:)
Anyways, here are the 2 managers and how they stack up,
houllier - 1998/99 - 2003/2004
points - 54, 67, 69, 80, 64, 60,
avg 65.67 points/season or 1.728 points/game
Benitez - 2004/2005 - present
points - 58, 82, 68, 76, and currently 51 (24 matches)
avg 71.00 points/season (first 4 seasons only) or 1.903 points/game (including this season so far)
So based on this, Benitez has been more successful, along with oh 2 CL finals and 1 CL trophy.
AussieLFCfan
03 Feb 2009, 03:59 AM
Benitez has a better record but has had a better team imo.
Red Bird
03 Feb 2009, 06:50 AM
Benitez has a better record but has had a better team imo.... probably implying that he is better at building a team, no?
ChanceTheDog
03 Feb 2009, 08:26 AM
I want Rafa gone come the end of the season. And even I don't think it's fair to compare him to Ged! Rafa is a much better manger. Though Ged was decent before he got sick.
TheLaughingMan
03 Feb 2009, 08:39 AM
Houllier is a good coach, but not the one that the club needed. The following opinion has been soundly criticized on the board, but I still maintain that the biggest thing Benitez has done is to increase our expectations. With Houllier, if we were out of the title race early, it sucked, but it wasn't exactly a surprise. Now, we expect to win every game while challenging for the title and go deep into at least two cups. Yes, there's more disappointment now if we fail, but I don't see how Houllier could have gotten us to this even level.
liverbird
03 Feb 2009, 08:42 AM
Chance, Damn you keep flogging that same stuff
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/unclespellbinder/Animated/beating-a-dead-horse.gif
Red Bird
03 Feb 2009, 09:26 AM
Chance, Damn you keep flogging that same stuff
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/unclespellbinder/Animated/beating-a-dead-horse.gif
I thought I saw it move ;)
CCSC_STRIKER20
03 Feb 2009, 01:20 PM
Jesus!
Let's have another Rafa thread.
OMFG!
What is it with an uprising in beating dead horses? I don't understand it at all.
Rafa > Houllier. End of. No discussion.
royalstilton
03 Feb 2009, 07:50 PM
I think Houllier was the best coach in the history of the EPL. He did more with less than anyone -- except maybe Paul Jewell. Benitez isn't fit to untie Houllier's sandal.
I think the Big Mac is the best burger in the history of food.
usscouse
03 Feb 2009, 08:01 PM
I think Houllier was the best coach in the history of the EPL. He did more with less than anyone -- except maybe Paul Jewell. Benitez isn't fit to untie Houllier's sandal.
I think the Big Mac is the best burger in the history of food.What do you mean "the best burger?" Surely it's the best thing ever to eat in the world.
I'd be surprised if a lot of the 'play station' fans we seem to be picking up even know about Ged or who he was. You know the ones I mean, they appear after we draw or lose and tell us, and Rafa how it should have been.
royalstilton
03 Feb 2009, 08:42 PM
Surely it's the best thing ever to eat in the world.
i've never had scouse -- the food -- so i had to stop at best burger with the Big Mac.
usscouse
03 Feb 2009, 08:44 PM
i've never had scouse -- the food -- so i had to stop at best burger with the Big Mac.It's really hard to beat a good pan of scouse...Mmmm!
royalstilton
03 Feb 2009, 09:08 PM
It's really hard to beat a good pan of scouse...Mmmm!see how smart i was...
ChanceTheDog
03 Feb 2009, 10:35 PM
Chance, Damn you keep flogging that same stuff
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/unclespellbinder/Animated/beating-a-dead-horse.gif
I really didn't mean to, I was just saying that there's no comparsion between the two.
royalstilton
03 Feb 2009, 10:40 PM
I really didn't mean to, I was just saying that there's no comparsion between the two.
no comparison? or no comparsion? i'm so confused.:confused:
ChanceTheDog
03 Feb 2009, 11:02 PM
no comparison? or no comparsion? i'm so confused.:confused:
Take your pick!
Kawklee
03 Feb 2009, 11:19 PM
What do you mean "the best burger?" Surely it's the best thing ever to eat in the world.
I'd be surprised if a lot of the 'play station' fans we seem to be picking up even know about Ged or who he was. You know the ones I mean, they appear after we draw or lose and tell us, and Rafa how it should have been.
My FIFA 09 Liverpool team has won every single league, every single cup, for more than 15 years running.
PS: I also coached Fernando Torres into how to score more than 60 goals in a season.
Should I be expecting to hear from Gillet and Hicks soon?
Grinners89
03 Feb 2009, 11:47 PM
My FIFA 09 Liverpool team has won every single league, every single cup, for more than 15 years running.
PS: I also coached Fernando Torres into how to score more than 60 goals in a season.
Should I be expecting to hear from Gillet and Hicks soon?
And in everyone else's games they have bought Messi, Xavi, Dani Alves, Lahm, Villa and Silva...why cant you buy these players Rafa? Stop messing around and get buying!!!
FIFA has made everyone think that management is simple and that they could run a club.
AussieLFCfan
04 Feb 2009, 03:24 AM
... probably implying that he is better at building a team, no?
Maybe, but you'd have to also consider what kind of budgets they had to spend on building those teams...
FIFA has made everyone think that management is simple and that they could run a club.
Umm....I'm not sure about that. Maybe if the person is 12yo.... It's a game.....:rolleyes:
Red Bird
04 Feb 2009, 03:57 AM
Maybe, but you'd have to also consider what kind of budgets they had to spend on building those teams...
I think Houlier did have sufficient backing from the board, relatively more than Benitez if one takes into account the fees prevailing at that time, and largely got his targets. While he got us some real gems, Hyypia for example, he was, in the main, let down by his big-money signings. And he seemingly couldn't cut his losses.
But this one has been done to death, as LB has so graphically pointed out.