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The Old Lady Hertha
06 Mar 2009, 03:54 PM
That was the episode where he tries to tell the workers about how dangerous depression is right?
If thats the one, one of the better episodes :D
goindownsouth
08 Mar 2009, 12:20 PM
Nice effort by Sechzig today. They could have easily packed it in down 2-1, but fought back hard and played well. Hoffmann still does not seem 100% at ease back there, but there is a lot of movement, creating a good number of scoring chances for 1860.
I am glad to see Sechzig have good form for when I come to town... my hope is that my appearance at the AA will not send the club into the tank for the rest of the term... ;-)
Be well.
panicfc
08 Mar 2009, 12:40 PM
[un-shun] Are you in Munich already? [re-shun]
goindownsouth
08 Mar 2009, 01:46 PM
[un-shun] Are you in Munich already? [re-shun]
Nah, not yet. I leave tomorrow (Monday) evening and will be in Bavaria on Tuesday morning.
hackespitze123
08 Mar 2009, 01:53 PM
We have to buy Lars Bender from you guys this summer.
panicfc
08 Mar 2009, 01:54 PM
Nah, not yet. I leave tomorrow (Monday) evening and will be in Bavaria on Tuesday morning.
[un-shun] Okay, how long are you going for? I really wish I could go to Europe this year. This job stuff sucks ass, but even so - I know you will have an awesome time.
Long flights suck, but have a good time. Don't forget your converter, your atm number, copy of your passport (and if you decide to go to Switzerland - make sure you bring it with you- i've got stories :rolleyes::p )
[re-shun]
LoewenBoy
08 Mar 2009, 06:31 PM
We have to buy Lars Bender from you guys this summer.
Get your check book out. We have him until 2011 adn it ain't gonna be cheap. See, we're broke as, well, as the United States.
Nice effort by Sechzig today. They could have easily packed it in down 2-1, but fought back hard and played well. Hoffmann still does not seem 100% at ease back there, but there is a lot of movement, creating a good number of scoring chances for 1860.
[Un-Shun]
Agree. What pisses me off is that Beda does NOTHING all match and yet he is left IN when things get tight. Watch the game again and see what the F he does when he recovers on defense. NOTHING!!! The frenchie trots back leaving two guys open. Thorandt HAD to mark one of the guys leading to the second goal because "Brieda" (my new name for Beda, combination of Brie and Beda:D) sat their on his soft french ass doing nothing.
Rukavina finally had a bad game but was still not as bad as Beda. Johnson was $hit. Lauth was good. Michi was on fire!!!! Torben was okay but the Bender Bros played well, Aigner ok. Ugly win, but will take that any day.
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footyfan1
08 Mar 2009, 07:28 PM
[Un-Shun]
Agree. What pisses me off is that Beda does NOTHING all match and yet he is left IN when things get tight. Watch the game again and see what the F he does when he recovers on defense. NOTHING!!! The frenchie trots back leaving two guys open. Thorandt HAD to mark one of the guys leading to the second goal because "Brieda" (my new name for Beda, combination of Brie and Beda:D) sat their on his soft french ass doing nothing.
Rukavina finally had a bad game but was still not as bad as Beda. Johnson was $hit. Lauth was good. Michi was on fire!!!! Torben was okay but the Bender Bros played well, Aigner ok. Ugly win, but will take that any day.
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Man, you've got some kind of hard-on for Beda. It seems that guy could score four goals in a game and you'd still find something wrong.
LoewenBoy
09 Mar 2009, 11:14 AM
Man, you've got some kind of hard-on for Beda. It seems that guy could score four goals in a game and you'd still find something wrong.
Hmmm, like someone I know and Nelson Valdez?:D:rolleyes:
Dude, you have seen the games. Tell me one game where Brieda has made a positive contribution other than converting oxygen to carbon dioxide?
footyfan1
09 Mar 2009, 12:03 PM
Hmmm, like someone I know and Nelson Valdez?:D:rolleyes:
Hey, I called him "useful" for one play this past weekend! LOL!
And Beda didn't cost your club 5M, did he??? :p
Dude, you have seen the games. Tell me one game where Brieda has made a positive contribution other than converting oxygen to carbon dioxide?
The win at Osnabrueck and the win at Rostock.
I would have said the win over St. Pauli, but I think everyone gets "a star" for that one.
Other than that, you aren't completely unfair at all.
LoewenBoy
09 Mar 2009, 03:54 PM
Hey, I called him "useful" for one play this past weekend! LOL!
Which is more than I can say for Brieda.
Honestly, I have spent the last few games (say 5) watching him as I would if I were a scout, trying to track his bad passes, blocks, etc. Really, he literally does nothing. He trots around alot, occassionally happens to be in the way of the ball (I contrast this with knowingly getting in the way of the ball, which he didn't), clearences, good/bad passes, missed marks, fouls, assists, etc. Seriously, the guy is like a clean sheet for good stuff, and full of x's for bad stuff. If the 1860 trainers are keeping track of these stats it won't look good for him. Cannot see him getting a contract extension with stats like this. I would rather have BOTH Benders on the field than Beda....he simply is like playing with 10 men. I don't like or hate him, its that he literally does nothing to rate.
LoewenBoy
10 Mar 2009, 09:55 AM
A Kicker (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/startseite/artikel/505585/) online article where appearently the Back-Stabbing Bastard Stevic confirms that Bender is gone this summer, saying "1860 needs the money".
Really Micki? Seriously? I mean, it was my understanding that you HAD BROUGHT US MONEY and that you were the only one who could save 1860 AND keep our talent at home. Was that a lie?!?!? Must be. You incontinence (yes, I said incontinence) when it comes to business matters is astounding. What OTHER lies do you have in store for us??!!
So, Lars is gone for next year. My guess is Sven cannot be far behind. What is he going to leave us with? Danny Schwarz? Sasha Roesler? Puleezzz. Oh, and it appears that Rukavina and Gulan are gone in summer too. Nice! Did we forget that we have other young talent out of contract this summer such as Jungwirth, Burkhart, Baumgartlinger, Holebas and Ledgerwood....all of whom have had people come sniffing around for them? You say, "That's okay LB, we can replenish from the U23s!" Hmmm, has anyone checked how many of our talented U23s are out of contract this summer? Let me remind you, ALL OF THEM!!!! This was something that was on Reuter's to-do list.
So, of all the things Stevic was supposed to do for us he has not delivered on ANY OF THEM so far. No new money. No new players that are staying. No restructureing of contracts at AA....oh, wait, he did not say he would do that, my mistake. And yet, that is the single thing forcing us to sell players before their time.
If it is not clear Stevic is a liar with no clue how to save this club, then we deserve what we get with this joker.:mad:
willy_svw
10 Mar 2009, 12:33 PM
You wouldn´t be able to keep Lars Bender anyway,although he was going to be loyal towards 1860...but i do understand your disappointment.
footyfan1
10 Mar 2009, 01:02 PM
A Kicker (http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/2bundesliga/startseite/artikel/505585/) online article where appearently the Back-Stabbing Bastard Stevic confirms that Bender is gone this summer, saying "1860 needs the money".
Really Micki? Seriously? I mean, it was my understanding that you HAD BROUGHT US MONEY and that you were the only one who could save 1860 AND keep our talent at home. Was that a lie?!?!? Must be. You incontinence (yes, I said incontinence) when it comes to business matters is astounding. What OTHER lies do you have in store for us??!!
So, Lars is gone for next year. My guess is Sven cannot be far behind. What is he going to leave us with? Danny Schwarz? Sasha Roesler? Puleezzz. Oh, and it appears that Rukavina and Gulan are gone in summer too. Nice! Did we forget that we have other young talent out of contract this summer such as Jungwirth, Burkhart, Baumgartlinger, Holebas and Ledgerwood....all of whom have had people come sniffing around for them? You say, "That's okay LB, we can replenish from the U23s!" Hmmm, has anyone checked how many of our talented U23s are out of contract this summer? Let me remind you, ALL OF THEM!!!! This was something that was on Reuter's to-do list.
So, of all the things Stevic was supposed to do for us he has not delivered on ANY OF THEM so far. No new money. No new players that are staying. No restructureing of contracts at AA....oh, wait, he did not say he would do that, my mistake. And yet, that is the single thing forcing us to sell players before their time.
If it is not clear Stevic is a liar with no clue how to save this club, then we deserve what we get with this joker.:mad:
Garry, I meant to send you that article yesterday, but then I got busy with actual work! ;)
It was clear once the investor stepped away that Rukavina and Gulan would not be staying. Hell man, not only is there no new money, the "former investor" wants his money back for the Rukavina and Gulan loan fees!
Milan might let Gulan go cheaply, but they aren't in the habit of doing so with their young players.
BVB might be persuaded to do another loan for Rukavina cheaply. Especially if they can't find a buyer for Rukavina.
We've got an international and a former international who can both play right back (Lee/current South Korea and Owomoyela/former Germany). We don't need Rukavina back. If BVB can't find a buyer and as long as 1860 can pay Rukavina's salary, BVB might be persuaded to do a "free loan."
As far as what Stevic did, yes, I agree with everything you wrote. Stevic probably lied to the investor about the extent of 1860's problems too. I suspect that's why the investor ran the other way as fast as he could.
Reuter was doing something I totally respected him for. Making the tough, but unpopular decisions that would benefit the club in the long run.
I think the young guys could see that Reuter was doing what needed to be done to stabilize the club and and begin to fight back.
It seems now that the one mistake Reuter made was sticking with Kurz too long.
I wonder how the word that Lars will be gone after the season will affect the team now?
They are going so well since Wolf took over. I think even if Bender is gone, Stevic should have kept his f#cking mouth shut about it and took this time between now and the end of the season to try to find some actual investors.
But I think you were DEAD ON about Stevic's "incontinence" in business matters!
Dude, that "incontinence" comment is funnier than hell!! LMAO!!
We should hook Micki up with Seth and Amy from SNL.
"Yo Micki! Promotion in 2010? Really? With what players?? You'll get players without money? Really?? Hey Micki, you know if you call Uli Hoeness to take care of that stadium deal, it might help you out. Really........."
Despite all of this, I hope the guys can put on a good show for "goindownsouth" on Friday night.
Pisses me off. The way things are going around here so far, I probably won't get out of here on Friday in time for that match. :mad:
LoewenBoy
10 Mar 2009, 01:05 PM
You wouldn´t be able to keep Lars Bender anyway,although he was going to be loyal towards 1860...but i do understand your disappointment.
Oh, I know that. But Reuter would have been able to keep him a bit longer, rather than selling him off to pay for the club's crack habit. Reuter was in the process of restructuring our debt so that we did not have a $3m operating deficit each year; thus allowing us to keep Lars another year and hopefully get promoted.
With Stevic, all I see is a guy who cluelessly fumbles to look competent. He makes Clouseau look like Einstein.
http://www.mozartbrau.com/clouseau.jpg
LoewenBoy
10 Mar 2009, 01:15 PM
Garry, I meant to send you that article yesterday, but then I got busy with actual work! ;)
You have a job?:cool:
It was clear once the investor stepped away that Rukavina and Gulan would not be staying. Hell man, not only is there no new money, the "former investor" wants his money back for the Rukavina and Gulan loan fees!
Yeah, here's the link (http://www.tsv1860.de/de/aktuell/news/2008/news_2009-03-04_schwarzer_stoffers.php) to the picture where it looks like the Douchbag Stoffers mugged the guy in the john. Basically we are restructuring how we pay the guy back. So instead of bringing money INTO 1860, Stevic's great business sense has actually gotten us into MORE debt. Would laugh if not so pathetic.
Milan might let Gulan go cheaply, but they aren't in the habit of doing so with their young players.
Unlike a German club I know.
BVB might be persuaded to do another loan for Rukavina cheaply. Especially if they can't find a buyer for Rukavina.
Am already hearing he is gone and going to another 2.BL team that you may know well. Rhyms with "der snub".
If BVB can't find a buyer and as long as 1860 can pay Rukavina's salary, BVB might be persuaded to do a "free loan."
Transfermarkt has his contract up this summer, no? Isn't he free then?
It seems now that the one mistake Reuter made was sticking with Kurz too long.
Dunno. I think 1860 would have won the last two games regardless.
I wonder how the word that Lars will be gone after the season will affect the team now?
Wolf will tell them, 'that's football, get on with it.'
They are going so well since Wolf took over. I think even if Bender is gone, Stevic should have kept his f#cking mouth shut about it and took this time between now and the end of the season to try to find some actual investors.
Hence why I think the guy is either 1) totally clueless, or 2) really believes he is god's gift and will ruin the club in the process. Questionis, how long until the morons that brought him realize he is the antichrist.
hackespitze123
10 Mar 2009, 01:26 PM
We have to buy Lars Bender from you guys this summer.
FINALLY Werder listens to me....
http://www.sportal.de/sportal/generated/dreierkette/index_rumor733.html
Sorry Loewenboy, but we really need him.
footyfan1
10 Mar 2009, 01:33 PM
You have a job?:cool:
LMAO!! Without it, I couldn't spend as much time as I do here! LOL!!
Yeah, here's the link (http://www.tsv1860.de/de/aktuell/news/2008/news_2009-03-04_schwarzer_stoffers.php) to the picture where it looks like the Douchbag Stoffers mugged the guy in the john. Basically we are restructuring how we pay the guy back. So instead of bringing money INTO 1860, Stevic's great business sense has actually gotten us into MORE debt. Would laugh if not so pathetic.
And sad man. Really f#cking sad. But the idiots who scream and yell made themselves heard.
Am already hearing he is gone and going to another 2.BL team that you may know well. Rhyms with "der snub".
Heard nothing about that. Plus, they already have two decent right backs. Their president is too cheap to pay for another one.
Transfermarkt has his contract up this summer, no? Isn't he free then?
Dude, when players are on loan at their current club, Transfermarkt lists their "Vertrag bis" data as the date their loan ends. If you look further down his profile, you will see that Rukavina is signed with BVB through 2012.
Dunno. I think 1860 would have won the last two games regardless.
Don't know. However, I see something different I didn't see under Kurz. A difference you usually only see with a coaching change. I'm anxious to see if they can keep it up.
Wolf will tell them, 'that's football, get on with it.'
I'm sure he will. But will they heed that call??
I mean, what is he doing to do if they don't??
They are going so well since Wolf took over. I think even if Bender is gone, Stevic should have kept his f#cking mouth shut about it and took this time between now and the end of the season to try to find some actual investors.
Hence why I think the guy (Stevic) is either 1) totally clueless, or 2) really believes he is god's gift and will ruin the club in the process.
Maybe both. It is funny. When this guy played at Sechzig, he was arguably the heart of the team. It is sad that he may be the one to finally rip the club's heart out.......
Question is, how long until the morons that brought him realize he is the antichrist.
Will it matter???
LoewenBoy
10 Mar 2009, 03:24 PM
Don't know. However, I see something different I didn't see under Kurz. A difference you usually only see with a coaching change. I'm anxious to see if they can keep it up.
Was on the German boards earlier reading the "Pro Wolf" thread. To sum up the collective intelligence of the conversations on that thread: They are for Wolf as long as the current trends continue, if not, they are unsure." I mean JESUS, I would have the Devil himself coach my team if he kept winning for Pete's Sake!!!! That board is the perfect example of what is wrong with Sechzig.....most of the fans are complete morons.:eek: Thankfully a few chime in with obervations like "losing is part of football", only to get down-trodden.:rolleyes:
LoewenBoy
11 Mar 2009, 09:52 AM
Seems Czech player Trojan (http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/news/26100/trojan-verlaesst-den-fc-st-pauli.html) will not extend with St. Pauli and is free right now. The rumor is that the Back-stabbing Bastard Stevic is trying to use his Czechness to get Trojan to sign with 1860.
If true he would be a decent replacement for Schwarz, though the guy's stats (http://www.fussballdaten.de/spieler/trojanfilip/) ain't stella, he is faily solid and only 26.