Honduran talent to MLS

[efernandez9]

who can tell me about the new kid for the dallas Burn?

I heard on a local station that he was a USA born to catracho parents, freshman at some university with some real Talent to show...



sounds like the Kids Vergara or Chivas USA want for his new franchise.

[fidlerre]

ramon nunez.

MF played at southern methodist university last year.

[beineke]

Originally posted by efernandez9
I heard on a local station that he was a USA born to catracho parents, freshman at some university with some real Talent to show...


Actually, he came to the US at age 5 and doesn't appear to be close to gaining citizenship. If his game pans out quickly, and if the Honduran national team continues to do well, then he'll probably play for them.

He didn't dominate in college soccer, but he was usually the youngest player on the field, and anyway, pro soccer is a very different game.

[efernandez9]

I UNDERSTOOD HE IS a citizen of the USA (with rights to a hOnduran passport cause his parents)

if not he should have his green card and does not count towards FA's or Discorey Players

can you explain me how many non-citizens, but green card (legal resident) can any MLS team field at the same time? The way it looks, green card holders could be as many as they want!

[ChrisE]

Originally posted by efernandez9
I UNDERSTOOD HE IS a citizen of the USA (with rights to a hOnduran passport cause his parents)

if not he should have his green card and does not count towards FA's or Discorey Players

can you explain me how many non-citizens, but green card (legal resident) can any MLS team field at the same time? The way it looks, green card holders could be as many as they want!

He's definitely not a US citizen, otherwise he would have been capped for the U-20 team by now. He's not counting against the international limit because MLS revived the 'junior international' classification for him and Joseph Ngwenya.

MLS teams can have 3 foreign Senior Internationals (24 or older during the season), as many transitional internationals as the league will sign (23 or younger; I think there's a limit of 20 in the league), and as many green-card or naturalized foreigners as they want (US labor law would prohibit setting a quota on these players).

P.S. Nunez isn't just one of the kids 'Vergara and Chivas want;' he's the kind of kid every team wants.

[efernandez9]

that is what I am talking about at chivas-USA forum

Vergara will like 10 or 18 guys with green card or USA born to latino parents, at the level of Ramon or alejandro Moreno (galaxy) to make up his new franchise.

do you guys see that feasible? will that be thru the draft or player allocation from MLS?

are they that many out there to choose from?

[ChrisE]

Originally posted by efernandez9
that is what I am talking about at chivas-USA forum

Vergara will like 10 or 18 guys with green card or USA born to latino parents, at the level of Ramon or alejandro Moreno (galaxy) to make up his new franchise.

do you guys see that feasible? will that be thru the draft or player allocation from MLS?

are they that many out there to choose from?

I would imagine that it would be very hard to get that kind of talent immediately, and I'm afraid Vergara may be putting himself at a permanent disadvantage by selecting from only latin americans (a much much smaller percentage of the soccer population in US than are mexicans in mexico).

Over the last two years drafts (02-03), the Latin players who have been drafted and shown an ability to play in the league were:

Alejandro Moreno
Gullermo Gonzalez
Diego Walsh
Arturo Alvarez
Arturo Torres

Although these numbers seem to be on the rise, that's not enough players to make a team out of. Unless Vergara is able to find a new, untapped source for talent in America (such as the Sangre Nuevo program), or MLS loosens its foreigner restrictions, he's going to have a very tough time fielding a team that's competitive to win the championship with only Latin players.

[efernandez9]

there is peruvians and salvadorians that look decent to MLS standards like eliseo Quintanilla and the kid in dc United...

the try out program should find at least 10 players of the level mentioned in your last post. He also has a full yr to develop a team, hey.... dont you think that by scoutting the futbol programs of at least 20 universities in NC, california, florida and texas he will not find a decent amount of players to make up his bench?

and I do not think that the goal on the first season is to win a championship... May be, just to get the respect of other teams on the league, time to evaluate that latinos-USA only strategy.

thanks for the informative responses.

[Treetaliano]

Originally posted by efernandez9
the try out program should find at least 10 players of the level mentioned in your last post.

not to sound anti-Chivas (which I am anyways..) but I think that this statement is a tad bold.

There have been over 10,000 tryouts for MLS and as far as I know, only about 10 players ever got signed, and of those, only 3 ever saw any time on the field.

I myself tried out in 1997 a year after graduating from college and I had played Div I NCAA soccer and I had no chance in hell to make it, and I am..err..was pretty good back in my day...

At least half of the players there were hispanic...so how all of the sudden are Chivas going to pull out 10 MLS caliber players in one year of tryouts?

sounds like more arrogance from the Chivas camp and their "supporters"

[efernandez9]

not arrogance! Just very Hopefull that the idea works now, In your days soccer/FUTBOL was not as popular as today

I just can not believe that in a country as large as the USA....you can not pull 10 guys from the fields of soccer... University level or via try-outs (local ligas)

never mind the state of the new comers to MLS, in any case the newbies are always bench material in the current 10 teams, perhaps the new team will offer more PT to some players that other wise could have rotten at the benches.


give it a try and open you mind tad!

[Ronaldinho11]

How old is this kid? Is he gonna play with Dallas this year?


If he isn't a citizen and does play with the national team it would be great because then we could have another midfield anchorman.:)

[efernandez9]

he needs to develop first.... I think he is elegible for the Under 20 nats (if ever look at it)

I recall the first games of saul martinez in MLS
Ivo wortman, hardly gave him PT at miami.
in Honduras they did not want to talk about him, mainly cause he was not a product of the local liga, but the new jersey soccer association..... Until he became a regular at the fussion and got a crack of the national team (post elimination from WC2002)

[jonny]

Tell me about little Tyson , efern..he is short but is an effective player. He is a good player

[Sachin]

Originally posted by efernandez9


can you explain me how many non-citizens, but green card (legal resident) can any MLS team field at the same time? The way it looks, green card holders could be as many as they want!

In theory, an MLS team could have a complete roster of green card holders... all 25 people. A green card holder is the equivalent of a US Citizen in most American labor law, including sports.

Sachin

[Ronaldinho11]

http://www.dallasburn.com/images/team/players/ramonnunez.jpg

Name: Ramon Nunez Height: 5"5 Weight:145 lbs.
Birth City: Tegucigalpa, Honduras
College: SMU

As a freshman in 2003, was selected to the NSCAA All-Midwest Regional first team and was named 2003 Missouri Valley Conference Freshman of the Year…led the Mustangs in points (18) and assists (10)…also scored four goals on the year…was selected as the nation’s top recruit by Soccer America in 2002…was selected to the 2002 and 2003 Parade All-America first team and was a two-time NSCAA All-America selection…a member of the Dallas Texans soccer club, winning regionals the last three years and the Nike Cup in Atlanta in 1999…attended WT White High School in Dallas.

[efernandez9]

lets hope for the best at dallas

keep in mind that dallas burn was the worse the MLS had in 2003! PT is very important, who will be his new coach? preseason games for the burn? will they travel to Chile again in 2004?

[voros]

Originally posted by efernandez9
that is what I am talking about at chivas-USA forum

Vergara will like 10 or 18 guys with green card or USA born to latino parents, at the level of Ramon or alejandro Moreno (galaxy) to make up his new franchise.

do you guys see that feasible? will that be thru the draft or player allocation from MLS?

are they that many out there to choose from?
In my opinion, Vergara's best bet is to scour the colleges, small colleges, and high schools. Scout the PDL as well. The reason is that I believe after the first half dozen or so most talented players, you run into a situation where there's maybe 200 players of reasonably close to the same quality.

As far as already in MLS, the problem will be getting top Hispanic-American players, as there's no reason why the Burn would want to give up someone like Nunez (nor for Nunez to leave his hometown). So what Vergara is looking at is the Orlando Perez level of players, which is enough to fill out a team, but likely not enough (by themselves) to put together a decent team.

Any word if he found anything useful at his tryouts?

[Ronaldinho11]

"Será uno de los mejores futbolistas del país".

http://www.tiempo.hn/DEPORTES/deport5.htm

[efernandez9]

here is a trayout announced for the dallas area:

Is for hispanics and cost 35.00 for enrolment
that will buy 2hrs of play time in saturday morning and 3 in the afternoon, they will make up several teams for the morning run and mix them for the afternoon games.

the texas tornados, has organized the event, but Dallas BURN scouts (brian) will be looking for the best players.

The rumor is that at least 6 players will be selected and the best 2 will be invited to preseason with Burn in spain -during feb - the rest of good players will get a shot of a month practices with tornados.


same idea that vergara had////// less critics!

[Jose2003]

Originally posted by efernandez9



give it a try and open you mind tad!

You can get water from a rock before you get some people to read what is on the Hispanic WALL for soccer in the USA.

El catracho es catracho. Estubo en la universidad por el soccer,. becado por el futbol. SMU coach was the force behind him, since his dissapointment when the boy signed for the mls.

Big tex.