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frasermc
25 Jan 2009, 04:01 PM
in this month's World Soccer magazine there is a large article entitled The Future of Football. many journalists have written on it with viewpoints on FIFA, scientific developments, club ownership, transfers, player power etc etc.

Paul Gardner wrote a 10 page article regarding the game and it's defensive tendencies and what can be done to redress the balance and make football more exciting again.

below is a section of that article with his proposed changes to the game. what do you think of his ideas? i'm off to watch Lost now but will post on it later with some thoughts.



I list below a number of changes that could be made to the game - not all of them are changes to the rules - with the specific aim of tilting the game away from defensive dominance towards a closer balance between offense and defense. That balance, which is essential for all competitive sports, has been lost in the modern game. This is really the phone-in, e-mail part of the article, because the list is far from exhaustive, of course.

Some modest proposals

Not all the blame for the lack of goals can be laid at the door of packed and ruthless defenses. Poor attacking must take a share. A corner kick used to be considered a likely scoring opportunity but hardly seems to these days. In the 2006 World Cup, only 12 of the 147 goals were scored from corners. The average number of corners per game was 10.5, for a total of 672 in 64 games. Put bleakly, it needed 56 corners to produce one goal. I'm told that in Germany they used to say that three corners equals one penalty kick. Not anymore. But I think much of the ineffectiveness of corners can be ascribed to utterly feeble delivery, the inability to deliver the ball accurately to somewhere around the penalty spot. Does anyone practice taking corners anymore? Considering the number of corners that come down inside the 6yd box to be gobbled up gratefully by the goalkeeper, I doubt it.

A state of affairs that suggests that the very will to attack has somehow become attenuated. The suggestions I make below are all designed, in their different ways, to re-ignite that will. Before going through some possible changes, two more difficulties must be faced (no one said this was going to be easy).

Firstly, a rule change is like a stone thrown into water, it causes ripples - and these ripples spread throughout the game, causing who knows what in terms of subsidiary adjustments. Of one thing you can be certain: the adjustments will be defensive in nature. Karl Poppers famous Law of Unintended Consequences could have been formulated with football in mind. Hence, only one rule change at a time - the ripples and counter ripples and sub-ripples produced by simultaneous changes would make any meaningful assessment impossible.

Secondly, any change, at least in theory, needs to be tested. But can you imagine the English Premier League or the Bundesliga or Serie A agreeing to play a season using a domestic version of the game different from what everyone else was playing (reverting, of course, to the unmodified game whenever international games are scheduled)? Not going to happen. Either a change has to rely on something considerably less than a full trial, or it is introduced, universally, at one fell swoop.

So, the first four changes listed below are basically attempts to alter the defensive mentality rather than the rules themselves.

- Insist on a strict application of the existing rule, particularly in dealing with rough play and with tactical fouling. This would surely lead to a sudden spate of yellow and red cards, at which point the coaches would protest, the referees and administrators would lose their determination, and yet another "clampdown" would wither away. Meaning that I don't see much hope in this approach.

- In the standings, award points for goals scored. Such a system was used for years in the now defunct North American Soccer League. It went like this: 6pts for a win, 3 for a draw, none for a defeat - plus a point for each goal scored up to a maximum of 3. Thus, in a 6-3 win, the winning team would get the maximum 9pts, the losers 3.

- Deduct points from a teams total for foul play. Devise a simple points system for fouls, penalty kicks, yellow and red cards, fix levels of acceptability - and teams that go over the limit get docked. More pressure on the referees, of course.

- The penalty shoot out is glaring evidence of footballs low-scoring problem. It has become so difficult to resolve tournament games with real goals that synthetic penalty-kick goals must be used. But the shootout makes matters worse because it encourages even more defensive play - by those teams that fancy their chances of winning it. Hence, use the shootout only as a tiebreaker of last resort. The first should be corner kicks - a system that is not simply a gimmick tacked on at the end of a game, but one that works throughout and which rewards teams who attack.


The following modifications do involve changes to the playing rules:


- Increase the size of the goals. This has been suggested many times, and has regularly been mocked as the most ridiculous idea ever and countered with sardonic jokes about using smaller goalkeepers. But the idea has merit. Goalkeepers are no doubt bigger and better trained than they used to be, defenses are stronger and better organised. The 8ft by 8yd goal may well belong to another era. Refusing to consider a change in its dimensions is like ignoring the enormous growth in vehicle ownership and insisting that we continue to use two-lane motorways.

- Reduce the influence of the goalkeeper. The vast area within which he is allowed the enormous advantage of being able to handle the ball is absurd - 792 square yards, half as big again as a basketball court! Get rid of the six-yard markings, which serve no purpose at all, mark out a new, smaller penalty area - say one of 12, rather than 18 yards. This would reduce the 'keepers' domain by half, and might well have the added advantage of encouraging referees, confronted with fewer decisions, not to chicken out on penalty decisions.

- Possible further experiments with the offside rule. The one that seems to me to have some promise is to banish offside once the ball is inside the penalty area. This would still rule out the long ball hoofed down the field, but would mean more opportunities for quick passing interchanges within the area. But... if the smaller area suggested is accepted, then maybe this change becomes meaningless.

- Give referees more authority in dealing with rough play and tactical fouls. Divide fouls, as basketball does, into two categories: personal (ie contact fouls) and technical (eg verbal abuse and time wasting). As things stand a violent foul and a trivial offense like removing a shirt to celebrate scoring are likely to receive equal punishment. I don't believe that anyone finds that satisfactory. Giving a lesser punishment for technical fouls would erase that anomaly but at the same time the personal fouls must be harshly dealt with.

- Find a way to avoid a team playing with 10 men. This usually destroys a game, ruins the entertainment value, because playing short-handed is an open invitation to resort to ultra-defensive football. A red-carded player should be replaced - but an additional method of punishing the offending team must be introduced.

Teso Dos Bichos
25 Jan 2009, 04:28 PM
RE: Corner kicks

It is not as simple as a good delivery to somewhere around the penalty spot because the balance has shifted from the attacking players to that of the defending players and keeper. You cannot look at the keeper without conceeding a freekick and defenders utilise every trick in the book to prevent attacking players from getting a dangerous header.

RE: Strict application of existing rules

This is a problem.

RE: Points for goals scored

Ridiculous system. Why should teams be punished or rewarded based on how clinical they are? You cannot determine who the better or attacking team is by simply looking at the final score. If you put more emphasis on goals then you get a spectacle but lose the defensive side of the game. A quick glance at La Liga highlights this as teams continually try to get forward leaving themselves stupidly exposed time and again at the back.

RE: Deduct points for foul play

With the standard of officials we currently have? It would kill the game and promote gamesmanship.

RE: Corner kicks as a tiebreaker

Yet another asinine method of determing the winner which, again, can have little to do with how the two teams approach the game. Why should defenders be punished for blocking a shot or clearing the ball?

RE: Increasing the size of the goals

It is not a problem, despite what some might claim. If you do not have the ability to finish with the current size of goals then you should consider a new career.

RE: Reduce the size of the box

It would help to shift the balance of play from corners back to the attacking players. However in open play in would give too much of an advantage to the attacking players.

RE: Offside rule

Another stupid idea. If you want to adjust offside then simple give the attacking player the benefit of the doubt if he is moving (which is supposed to happen now). That way you still catch the cheats but you loosen the rules to the benefit of those that are attacking.

RE: Referees

I would agree. It is a joke that you can be sent off for hurting the feelings of a referee but get a yellow for a career threatening tackle.

RE: 10 men

The team is already punished. If you cannot beat 10 men then, yet again, you should find another career.

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What a load of rubbish.

Leeds92
25 Jan 2009, 07:24 PM
I tend to like the J-Leauge rule of penalties at the end of a draw to split the penalties. I have always thought that we should restructure the points system more so.

5 - Points for an away win
2 - Points for an away draw
3 - Points for home win
1 - Point for home draw.

Put in with this the penalty kicks (maybe/maybe not) at the end of the draw it also forces a team to play forward more.

I have always liked the above becasue it forces a team away to go for the win rather than dig in defensively if they decided to do this.

Yes it means that you would force a team like say WBA to go after Man U and potentially be beaten 4-0, but in the same breath imagine what a Chelsea Man U match would be like..

That Phat Hat
25 Jan 2009, 07:32 PM
I tend to like the J-Leauge rule of penalties at the end of a draw to split the penalties.J-League stopped doing that almost 10 years ago, for a good reason.

I never understand why people want to arbitrarily decide a winner at the end of a match where neither side was good enough to win.

Leeds92
26 Jan 2009, 04:24 AM
J-League stopped doing that almost 10 years ago, for a good reason.

I never understand why people want to arbitrarily decide a winner at the end of a match where neither side was good enough to win.


My mistake. I recently saw highlights of an asian league match in which penalties were taken at the end of the draw. Didnt catch the league or the teams. Presumed it was the J-league.

I must admit that I prefer the format of more points for the away team in the event of a result.

RichardL
26 Jan 2009, 08:42 AM
I must admit that I prefer the format of more points for the away team in the event of a result.

they tried that in England a few years back, and it wasn't found to make any difference. A team that doesn't think they'll win won't go for a win any more just because more more points are on offer.

Of course all of these ideas for trying to encourage teams to go for the win and based on the fundamentally incorrect premise that draws are a result of negative play. Some are, but the huge majority aren't. By far, in most matches that end in a draw, both teams were trying to win already. Giving them more incentive to win won't help, as they were doing their best to win anyway.

comme
26 Jan 2009, 09:47 AM
I was going to post something up about this article fraser so thanks for saving me the chore of typing it out.

Personally I thought most of his ideas were poor, badly thought out, and the result of approaching the game from an American perspective.

The only one which I would agree with is in the more rigourous application of the existing rules. For instance the constant shoving in the box, and such like, as well as the unnecessary protection of the goalkeeper.

The rest of them seem to be based on the idea that all that matters is goals, which is completely wrong.

That Phat Hat
26 Jan 2009, 10:41 AM
The rest of them seem to be based on the idea that all that matters is goals, which is completely wrong.This sentence really stood out to me: The penalty shoot out is glaring evidence of footballs low-scoring problem.

It tells me the writer is operating from a paradigm that is completely foreign to most fans, and, in my opinion, a hugely misguided one. Soccer doesn't really have a scoring problem, nor is low scoring a problem. It's only a problem if you prefer to watch the scoreboard rather than the pitch (though I will concede that goals can unlock an otherwise stagnant matches, and lead changes obviously provide drama, but high scores, per se, are not an indication of high quality).

And people really need to get off the penalty kicks. It's not a perfect solution, but it is the best solution by a mile. It may seem an arbitrary way to settle a draw, but if the score is tied after 90 or 120 minutes, any tiebreaker is going to be rather arbitrary, since you're trying to decide a winner in a match that had no winner. At least with the penalty kick shootout, each team has equal opportunity to decide the outcome, and knows exactly what must be done. And playing any longer than 120 minutes is simply cruel and inhumane and unproductive.

Dr. Wankler
26 Jan 2009, 11:00 AM
I agree with Teso on nearly all of these. Just some additional commentary:


RE: Points for goals scored

Ridiculous system. Why should teams be punished or rewarded based on how clinical they are? You cannot determine who the better or attacking team is by simply looking at the final score. If you put more emphasis on goals then you get a spectacle but lose the defensive side of the game. A quick glance at La Liga highlights this as teams continually try to get forward leaving themselves stupidly exposed time and again at the back.

This was silly when the NASL did this, and it's silly now. Besides... technically, most leagues already do this. Goal Differential. And the amount of weight it's given in the standings is appropriate.


RE: Corner kicks as a tiebreaker

Yet another asinine method of determing the winner which, again, can have little to do with how the two teams approach the game. Why should defenders be punished for blocking a shot or clearing the ball?

Did I read the original post correctly? Did Paul Gardner actually suggest this? That's a surprise. From what I can tell, this suggestion says that the NUMBER of corner kicks accumulated during the game will determine the winner of tied matches. I would be surprised if Gardiner suggested this because this is how American college soccer determined ties into the 1970s (IIRC). There's a reason why college soccer dropped this idea... instead of trying to score late in matches, forwards would take the ball into the corner and just deflect it off the defender over the goal line.

The dullest 0-0 draw I've ever seen would be more interesting than that spectacle.


RE: 10 men

The team is already punished. If you cannot beat 10 men then, yet again, you should find another career.
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I've seen some games that sucked when a guy got sent off early on -- last summer's Italy/France match during the Euros, for instance. But it had as much to do with Italy being dull as France being hampered by being a man down. Besides, everyone has seen great matches where the team with ten men actually won.

Dr. Wankler
26 Jan 2009, 11:04 AM
And people really need to get off the penalty kicks. It's not a perfect solution, but it is the best solution by a mile. It may seem an arbitrary way to settle a draw, but if the score is tied after 90 or 120 minutes, any tiebreaker is going to be rather arbitrary, since you're trying to decide a winner in a match that had no winner. At least with the penalty kick shootout, each team has equal opportunity to decide the outcome, and knows exactly what must be done. And playing any longer than 120 minutes is simply cruel and inhumane and unproductive.

I wouldn't mind if FIFA or the regional governing bodies decided that the Championship match would never be allowed to go to penalties, but would be played until someone scored a winner. But in generaly, I agree. 120 minutes is enough (and in the cases of scoreless matches involving Italy, too much).

argentine soccer fan
26 Jan 2009, 11:05 AM
Besides, everyone has seen great matches where the team with ten men actually won.

Especially when Boca plays River. :D

argentine soccer fan
26 Jan 2009, 11:11 AM
If Americans really don't like draws, one suggestion would be for MLS to count a draw as a loss for both teams. If nobody wins, nobody gets any points. I would imagine that would give teams more incentive to go for the win.

One drawback is that if you fall behind it will be much more difficult for teams to come back from a deficit. Sometimes you go down 2-0 and managing a 2-2 draw feels like a win.

The one suggestion I like is making the penalty area smaller, but for different reasons than the ones given. As a defender, I like the idea of being able to foul the attacking players closer to the goal without conceding a penalty kick. :D

Dr. Wankler
26 Jan 2009, 11:19 AM
The one suggestion I like is making the penalty area smaller, but for different reasons than the ones given. As a defender, I like the idea of being able to foul the attacking players closer to the goal without conceding a penalty kick. :D

I understand where you're coming from there. When I still played in the 80s, tackling from behind was legal just so long as you got the ball (eventually). I thought it sucked when I couldn't do that anymore.

However, now that I don't play, I don't mind the rule quite so much.

That Phat Hat
26 Jan 2009, 11:22 AM
This would be a good time to point out that Gardner clearly prefaced his ideas as "modest proposals", which is to say, you shouldn't be too Swift in taking them too seriously.

They're meant to be food for thought, I think, not ideas that should or would be implemented. That said, modest or not, I still think the proposals are grounded in misguided assumptions.

That Phat Hat
26 Jan 2009, 11:27 AM
The one suggestion I like is making the penalty area smaller, but for different reasons than the ones given. As a defender, I like the idea of being able to foul the attacking players closer to the goal without conceding a penalty kick. :DHa. But I do think it's sometimes harsh to award a penalty for fouls committed 15 yards away from goal or at a location where an attacking player may not have any chance to score. Direct free kicks are more exciting than penalties, anyway.

But I'm fine with the rules the way they are.

Dr. Wankler
26 Jan 2009, 11:50 AM
This would be a good time to point out that Gardner clearly prefaced his ideas as "modest proposals", which is to say, you shouldn't be too Swift in taking them too seriously.

They're meant to be food for thought, I think, not ideas that should or would be implemented. That said, modest or not, I still think the proposals are grounded in misguided assumptions.

Thanks for the clarification, but to clarify from an American fan's perspective, Gardner's been writing about soccer in US publications for over 30 years, and he's gotten pretty wacky over the past 15 of those years. Some people will just see his name and assume the worse. Just from habit, it's hard for me to associate the word "modest" with anything having to do with Gardner, unless it's combined with the word "talent." :D

frasermc
26 Jan 2009, 12:39 PM
Did I read the original post correctly? Did Paul Gardner actually suggest this? That's a surprise. From what I can tell, this suggestion says that the NUMBER of corner kicks accumulated during the game will determine the winner of tied matches. I would be surprised if Gardiner suggested this because this is how American college soccer determined ties into the 1970s (IIRC).


these modest proposals are all Gardners taken from the article in this months edition of World Soccer. the section in bold is word for word from a section of that article.

argentine soccer fan
26 Jan 2009, 01:23 PM
Ha. But I do think it's sometimes harsh to award a penalty for fouls committed 15 yards away from goal or at a location where an attacking player may not have any chance to score. Direct free kicks are more exciting than penalties, anyway.

But I'm fine with the rules the way they are.

Yes. One problem I see with making the penalty area smaller is that it would detract from one of the most exciting plays in football. An attacking player breaking through on goal, and the goalkeeper coming out to cut the angle and meet him one on one. If the goalie cannot touch the ball with his hands, it would really change the way that scenario plays out, and not for the better, in my view.

uamiranda
26 Jan 2009, 06:43 PM
Many cosmologists believe the universe progresses according to an oscilatory behavior: now, it's in expansion since the Big Bang, but then it's likely possible to contract untill the Big Crunch. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bounce (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bounce))

Maybe the same happens in football: it lived expansion times, where formations were like 1-0-9 or 1-1-8 or even 2-3-5, and now we are experencing contraction times with a defensive mentality.

Keeping in mind that a balance is the ideal system, I hope other times come soon...:rolleyes:

schafer
26 Jan 2009, 09:34 PM
Some modest proposals

Not all the blame for the lack of goals can be laid at the door of packed and ruthless defenses. Poor attacking must take a share. A corner kick used to be considered a likely scoring opportunity but hardly seems to these days. In the 2006 World Cup, only 12 of the 147 goals were scored from corners. The average number of corners per game was 10.5, for a total of 672 in 64 games. Put bleakly, it needed 56 corners to produce one goal. I'm told that in Germany they used to say that three corners equals one penalty kick. Not anymore. But I think much of the ineffectiveness of corners can be ascribed to utterly feeble delivery, the inability to deliver the ball accurately to somewhere around the penalty spot. Does anyone practice taking corners anymore? Considering the number of corners that come down inside the 6yd box to be gobbled up gratefully by the goalkeeper, I doubt it.

FWIW, Scolari seems to have taken this issue to heart by instituting a no-marking policy for Chelsea on defensive set pieces. I can't really see it catching on but if more managers followed his example then the lack of scoring on corners would no longer be an issue.