Soccer Rule Change Suggestions

[peter07]

I'm wondering what rule or other changes would improve the quality of soccer, and more importantly, stimulate more goal scoring. Among the ones I've heard:

1) Elimination of offsides rule
2) Fewer players on each side
3) Bigger goal
4) Shorter game time (perhaps 80 minutes)

What do you think?

[usscouse]

Originally posted by peter07
I'm wondering what rule or other changes would improve the quality of soccer, and more importantly, stimulate more goal scoring. Among the ones I've heard:

1) Elimination of offsides rule
2) Fewer players on each side
3) Bigger goal
4) Shorter game time (perhaps 80 minutes)

What do you think? I think the rivalries troll board is the place for you.
You can't be that big of an idiot.......can you?

[Elninho]

Originally posted by peter07
I'm wondering what rule or other changes would improve the quality of soccer, and more importantly, stimulate more goal scoring. Among the ones I've heard:

1) Elimination of offsides rule
2) Fewer players on each side
3) Bigger goal
4) Shorter game time (perhaps 80 minutes)

What do you think?

1) Fails completely. The result of eliminating offside is that defenders are forced to hang back and keep an eye on cherry-pickers, and therefore do not get into the attack at all. Goalscoring actually decreases.

2) Why?!?!

3) Changes the dynamic of the game significantly, favoring speculative shooting over good playmaking. Result: more goals, but more cheap goals and less goals resulting from good play.

4) What's wrong with a 90-minute game?

[Boro_lad]

wow four of possibly the worst suggestions i have ever heard for anything ever. what on earth were you thinking when you posted this?, eliminate offside rules, why?, so players can stand next to the goal keeper the entire game and score tap ins, wow that would make it interesting, fewer players on each side??, why?, whats wrong with 11, and how would less solve this??, bigger goal??, isnt the goal big enough?? a bigger goal would just result in random shots from players who are crap and the would score from 30 yards, eliminating the skill involved to do it now. also devalueing a goal within a game as they would happen all the time, making the game boring just like most american sports. (not an attempt of piss take, just pointing out goal /scores in american sorts arnt as valued in football) and why would you want to reduce the length of a game??, you want to see less football for your money, are u completely *#*#*#*#ing crazy??????

[denver_mugwamp]

You left out:
1) Letting all the players use their hands.
2) Making the keeper play blindfolded.
3) Having 3 timeouts per half so they could show commercials.
4) Every time a player scores a goal he has to chug a pint of beer.
Am I leaving anything out?

[jp77]

None of your changes would work..here's some suggestions.....what does everybody think?

!) Make whoever is fouled in the penalty area take the penalty shot....it's only fair......today, for example, on Real Madrid, if Salgado is fouled in the area and a penalty is called, Figo is Real's pk taker. make it like basketball, whoever is fouled takes the shot

2) allow 5 subs instead of 3. why does a team bring 18-20 players to a game.....the game would be alot more fresher with fresh players after 75 minutes or so

[peter07]

Wow, what an avalanche of flames did my post bring forth. Let me say I heard some of these suggestions in the time leading up to USA '94, and some were from sports pundits who may or may not have been soccer fans. This is just my opinion but not all of my suggestions are farfetched.

Perhaps getting rid of the offside rule is extreme, but liberalizing a bit to allow for a foot or so ahead could be worth exploring.

As for the goal thing, there are still goals scored by luck or a bad bounce, regardless of how big the goal is. Enlarging the box just a bit could raise scoring and not necessarily lead to more but sloppier or accidental goals.

Fewer players on a side would mean more room to operate and the like. And a shorter game of say, 80 minutes could liven up the play with a heightened sense of urgency and less tired players.

These, by the way, are just some ideas that I've heard. I apologize if they offended anyone but this was not a troll posting.

[bbsbt]

Originally posted by peter07
I'm wondering what rule or other changes would improve the quality of soccer, and more importantly, stimulate more goal scoring. Among the ones I've heard:

1) Elimination of offsides rule
2) Fewer players on each side
3) Bigger goal
4) Shorter game time (perhaps 80 minutes)

What do you think?
ok... #4 really baffles me.
What you are saying is... the less amount of playing time, the more goals will be scored???

Well then, here's an idea; let's play for only 45 minutes, so that twice as many goals will be scored!
Or better yet, let's not play at all; the goals will really be coming then!!

[Boro_lad]

Originally posted by peter07
Wow, what an avalanche of flames did my post bring forth. Let me say I heard some of these suggestions in the time leading up to USA '94, and some were from sports pundits who may or may not have been soccer fans. This is just my opinion but not all of my suggestions are farfetched.

Perhaps getting rid of the offside rule is extreme, but liberalizing a bit to allow for a foot or so ahead could be worth exploring.

As for the goal thing, there are still goals scored by luck or a bad bounce, regardless of how big the goal is. Enlarging the box just a bit could raise scoring and not necessarily lead to more but sloppier or accidental goals.

Fewer players on a side would mean more room to operate and the like. And a shorter game of say, 80 minutes could liven up the play with a heightened sense of urgency and less tired players.

These, by the way, are just some ideas that I've heard. I apologize if they offended anyone but this was not a troll posting.

dude i dont think your understanding the seriousness of your stupidity, dont mean to be a bastard to you or anything, but seriously, football is the game it is today because of the current rules, how would changing it to allow more goals for you make it better,

sewriously just let it go, your points are just completely wrong

[peter07]

Originally posted by Boro_lad
dude i dont think your understanding the seriousness of your stupidity, dont mean to be a bastard to you or anything, but seriously, football is the game it is today because of the current rules, how would changing it to allow more goals for you make it better,

sewriously just let it go, your points are just completely wrong

I respect your opinion but well, that is what you express - an opinion. I'm sure some basketball purists were vehemently against things like the three-point shot but the latter has found itself to be a mainstay of the sport.

Is there any harm in experimenting or just bringing up an idea? Sheesh! In Iowa, they have six-on-six girls' basketball and the concept of four-on-four basketball has been around for ages, though not adopted (a lot of the street tournaments have three-on-three hoops, by the way). Wider fields for NFL games have also been discussed. I think soccer shouldn't be no exception in terms of trying to find ways of spicing up the game and such, that's all.

[Boro_lad]

soccer isnt n american sport k thx

[Dr. Wankler]

Originally posted by peter07
What do you think?

Newbies shouldn't be allowed to start threads.

Oh, and Iowa did away with 6 on 6 girls basketball around a decade ago. But that's beside the point. The main point is that newbies shouldn't be allowed to start threads.

[peter07]

And says who?

[Dr. Wankler]

Originally posted by peter07
And says who?

It would be for the newbie's own benefit. That way s/he would be spared the embarrassment of posting suggestions that are borderline retarded and which have been posted several times before.

Look at it this way. If newbies weren't allowed to post, no one would know that you rode the short bus to Bigsoccer. Now everyone does.

[peter07]

Originally posted by Dr. Wankler
It would be for the newbie's own benefit. That way s/he would be spared the embarrassment of posting suggestions that are borderline retarded and which have been posted several times before.

Look at it this way. If newbies weren't allowed to post, no one would know that you rode the short bus to Bigsoccer. Now everyone does.

Well, I respect your opinion but I would think there is freedom of speech here. And maybe to some of the people here, my suggestions (and they are MERELY ideas, mind you) may seem farfetched but to others it may prove interesting.

Have a nice day.

[Holyjoe]

This has been seen time and again, particularly in 2002 when Michael Ballack was ruled out of the World Cup final on account of accumulated yellow cards.

The Final of any cup competition is supposed to be the showcase game of the tournament involving the 2 best teams (in theory), so does anyone think it would be possible to only suspend players from the final if they get a red card in the semi-final? Accumulating 3 yellow cards in the space of 6 games isn't to my mind reason to exclude a player from the final.
A straight red in the semi-finals or 2 yellow cards should still be a suspendable offence, but in the case of accumulated cards the suspension should be served in another international match.

Just a thought...

[Craig the Aussie]

The only rule change I would like is the introduction of interchange rather then "once you are off, that's it" substitution at all levels, not just youth & amateur.

[Dr. Wankler]

Originally posted by peter07
Well, I respect your opinion but I would think there is freedom of speech here. And maybe to some of the people here, my suggestions (and they are MERELY ideas, mind you) may seem farfetched but to others it may prove interesting.

Have a nice day.

1) Of course there's "freedom of speech here." But freedom of speech doesn't mean "I can say stupid things in a public forum and no one can criticize them."

2) No one who knows anything about soccer beyond the most rudimentary things -- like "that's the sport where you can't use your hands, right?" -- will think any of your four ideas are the least bit interesting.

3) Oh, and don't flatter yourself by thinking you've offended anybody. This is all old crap that's been seen before, countless times. And it's generally posted by someone who shows no evidence of understanding how the sport is played at all, but who still wants to change the game. Thus, these posts are taken as disrespectful, and if you can't see why... well, nevermind.

[Saeyddthe]

I don't think it's the general idea of rules changes anyone's objecting to, just the specific (insane) ones you started out with...:D

I do like the idea of PKs being taken by the player fouled...(though I can already see players rolling around in agony on the sidelines for the 30 seconds it takes for someone else to take the kick)

Along the same lines, the only other rules change I would honestly like to see is moving the penalty spot back to a reasonable distance... Just enough to make it a contest of skills, rather than a battle of nerves.

[Dr. Wankler]

Originally posted by Holyjoe
This has been seen time and again, particularly in 2002 when Michael Ballack was ruled out of the World Cup final on account of accumulated yellow cards.

The Final of any cup competition is supposed to be the showcase game of the tournament involving the 2 best teams (in theory), so does anyone think it would be possible to only suspend players from the final if they get a red card in the semi-final? Accumulating 3 yellow cards in the space of 6 games isn't to my mind reason to exclude a player from the final.
A straight red in the semi-finals or 2 yellow cards should still be a suspendable offence, but in the case of accumulated cards the suspension should be served in another international match.

Just a thought...

This is an interesting one. I'd like to see the slate wiped clean at some point, but where that point is in, say, the World Cup, is open for debate. But you're right that a red card in the semi-final pretty much has to result in a suspension for the championship match.