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counter_attack
24 Nov 2008, 10:12 AM
First of all, it's important to say that 4-2-3-1 has 2 versions of itself: wider one which employs wingers and narrower one with no wingers, but with 3 Central Attacking Midfielders.

Just like any other formation, 4-2-3-1 has its strengths & weaknesses and could be more or less suitable for various teams, depending on structure and qualities of their players. While wider version is best empoyed within teams tending to dominate and control the game with reasonably slower build-up of their play and exploiting full width of the pitch (i.e. Barca, although they use offensive 4-3-3), narrower 4-2-3-1 is, on the other hand, most successfully used by teams of high (or a bit above average), but not the highest (top) quality and is based on more cautious approach with counter-attack as the main weapon. Recent examples of success with 4-2-3-1 (in its more defensive version) are Liverpool's victory (1:0)over Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in their last match and Roma's victory also over Chelsea (3:0) in the Champions League.

three lions
24 Nov 2008, 11:18 AM
First of all, it's important to say that 4-2-3-1 has 2 versions of itself: wider one which employs wingers and narrower one with no wingers, but with 3 Central Attacking Midfielders.

Just like any other formation, 4-2-3-1 has its strengths & weaknesses and could be more or less suitable for various teams, depending on structure and qualities of their players. While wider version is best empoyed within teams tending to dominate and control the game with reasonably slower build-up of their play and exploiting full width of the pitch (i.e. Barca, although they use offensive 4-3-3), narrower 4-2-3-1 is, on the other hand, most successfully used by teams of high (or a bit above average), but not the highest (top) quality and is based on more cautious approach with counter-attack as the main weapon. Recent examples of success with 4-2-3-1 (in its more defensive version) are Liverpool's victory (1:0)over Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in their last match and Roma's victory also over Chelsea (3:0) in the Champions League.


Capello's version with England vs Croatia in Zagreb is a good demonstration of proper execution.

Teso Dos Bichos
24 Nov 2008, 11:36 AM
There are various ways it can be utilised depending on the composition and role of the attacking three and whether you opt for a traditional striker or someone who will drop back to link the play. Roma have used the system to great effect but arguably the best example of it being used was against Roma in that Man Utd demolition job.

If you have the right players (with the central midfield duo being key) then you can have a system that grants almost total freedom to the attacking quintet. It is very difficult to defend against an attacking midfield triumvirate all with a free role to roam and attack as they see fit. That is the fundamental advantage to a 4-2-3-1 used correctly and as it was originally intended. It takes a certain type of player and it needs a certain level of chemistry between your attacking players but get it right and it is deadly.

counter_attack
24 Nov 2008, 03:59 PM
There are various ways it can be utilised depending on the composition and role of the attacking three and whether you opt for a traditional striker or someone who will drop back to link the play. Roma have used the system to great effect but arguably the best example of it being used was against Roma in that Man Utd demolition job.

If you have the right players (with the central midfield duo being key) then you can have a system that grants almost total freedom to the attacking quintet. It is very difficult to defend against an attacking midfield triumvirate all with a free role to roam and attack as they see fit. That is the fundamental advantage to a 4-2-3-1 used correctly and as it was originally intended. It takes a certain type of player and it needs a certain level of chemistry between your attacking players but get it right and it is deadly.

I totally agree with you and just want to add this: two central midfielders are key players (as you said) in order to provide cover either for attacking or for defending 4 and to improve defensive stability which is partly imperiled by the lack of players (more uncovered space between the back and frontline) in "holding midfield zone". So, both central MFs should be able to act not only as CMs but also as (hard-working) DMs (i.e. Mascherano & Xabi Alonso)

DustyLucho
24 Nov 2008, 10:13 PM
First of all, it's important to say that 4-2-3-1 has 2 versions of itself: wider one which employs wingers and narrower one with no wingers, but with 3 Central Attacking Midfielders.

Just like any other formation, 4-2-3-1 has its strengths & weaknesses and could be more or less suitable for various teams, depending on structure and qualities of their players. While wider version is best empoyed within teams tending to dominate and control the game with reasonably slower build-up of their play and exploiting full width of the pitch (i.e. Barca, although they use offensive 4-3-3), narrower 4-2-3-1 is, on the other hand, most successfully used by teams of high (or a bit above average), but not the highest (top) quality and is based on more cautious approach with counter-attack as the main weapon. Recent examples of success with 4-2-3-1 (in its more defensive version) are Liverpool's victory (1:0)over Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in their last match and Roma's victory also over Chelsea (3:0) in the Champions League.
Well the team that iam fan of (Junior de Barranquilla) use 4-2-3-1, for me this one is the best formation below the diamond (4-1-2-1-2), i can see that for attacking it turns into a 4-3-3 with one mdfielder as a playmaker so is like a 4-2-1-3, so the backs of the wings dont go attacking that all, for deffendig, the two wingers go backwards to turn a 4-4-1-1 or a 4-5-1, is a very effective formation depending on the type of players yo have, if you have two very good wingers, a fast playmaker and a center forward that can move all along the area, it will succes.

dor02
25 Nov 2008, 02:05 AM
Even though this thread was made in 2004, it has Spaletti's Roma (until the Chelsea game) written all over it.

revelationx
18 Dec 2008, 12:53 PM
Great article about the 4-2-3-1 formation - why it is being adopted more in England and it's origins and development during the 90's...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2008/dec/18/4231-442-tactics-jonathan-wilson