Hattrick

[ur_land]

Reading this thread has not only gotten me into hattrick (I just got my team today!), but you've made me stop my years of lurking and actually make a post on Bigsoccer......

Thanks for this thread!

Flatirons FC (71844)
# 7 in V.208

[greatscott]

Originally posted by ur_land
Reading this thread has not only gotten me into hattrick (I just got my team today!), but you've made me stop my years of lurking and actually make a post on Bigsoccer......

Thanks for this thread!

Flatirons FC (71844)
# 7 in V.208

when did you apply for your team?

i have a mate who's been waiting for a few weeks now

[ur_land]

I applied for my team on the 10th of January......have no idea what's up with your friend.

BTW---Anyone need a last minute friendly?
And how do people usually go about scheduling friendlies?


Flatirons FC (71844)
# 7 in USA V.208

[kuhnscoot]

Originally posted by ur_land
I applied for my team on the 10th of January......have no idea what's up with your friend.

BTW---Anyone need a last minute friendly?
And how do people usually go about scheduling friendlies?


Welcome to an addition, there are four ways that most of the peopel here go about getting friendlies, the first is like you just did,
(1)ask someone on here to play a friendly with you, we are all friendly people for the most part,

(2)quite a few of us are in a friendly cup right now, that is taking our friendly spots, that's the second way to get one, join a friendly cup, I don't think that there are any starting up now though. To get into a friendly cup, just watch the conferences, specifically the US conference for ads for tournaments.

The (3) third thing you can do is post an ad in the friendlies section in the conferences, under conferences there is a section for ads, in there, there are two sections, transfer ads, and friendly ads, post what kind of friendly you'd like and you'll get quite a few replies to it on challenges.

The (4) way, that I used for the longest time, is to look through your region and challenge teams that are online from your area. For instance, I'm from Missouri, so I'd look and see what Missouri teams were online and challenge them.

Those are the four best ways I know of to get friendlies, hope that helps, and feel free to ask any questions you have on here, like I said we are all for the most part pretty friendly.

[kuhnscoot]

Oh yeah, I forgot one other way to get a friendly, challenge teams in your series to friendlies thats another way to get one.

[MLS SupaStr3]

Originally posted by ur_land
I applied for my team on the 10th of January......have no idea what's up with your friend.

BTW---Anyone need a last minute friendly?
And how do people usually go about scheduling friendlies?


Flatirons FC (71844)
# 7 in USA V.208


i already got a friendly this week but how does next week sound? my team name is Daverules FC

[Craig P]

Originally posted by kuhnscoot
The (4) way, that I used for the longest time, is to look through your region and challenge teams that are online from your area. For instance, I'm from Missouri, so I'd look and see what Missouri teams were online and challenge them.This also works quite well for regions other than your own and can be a nice way to bring someone in for an international friendly.

Another good way to get friendlies is to join friendly cups that may get brought up in the conferences. I'm not sure there are any forming this late in the season now, but that may be something for you to do after you get knocked out of the U.S. cup next season.

[AAGunner3]

Originally posted by ur_land
Reading this thread has not only gotten me into hattrick (I just got my team today!), but you've made me stop my years of lurking and actually make a post on Bigsoccer......

Thanks for this thread!

Flatirons FC (71844) # 7 in V.208

STOP!
Don't do anything more with your team other than set lineups and accept friendlies. Stay away from the transfer market, new coaches, stadium stuff until you've done some more research.

Check out:
http://usa.hatstats.info
http://central.hatstats.info
http://hattrickgameday.tripod.com/hattrick/id8.html
http://www.databased.at/hattrick/x-ray/index.asp

Looking at Hatstats, you seem to have taken over the 7th place team. It appears that you'll be competing against at least 3 playmaking trainers (3-5-2), a scoring trainer (3-4-3) and who knows what else. I bet you can compete with Hags and Stingesk right off the bat. Check your fixtures and see if you play them in the last 5 weeks that are left. You've got a fight on your hands to avoid auto-relegation, but you've got a chance.

Oh, and read the Hattrick rules for the umpteenth time. I'm sure you've done some of this already considering the time it takes to get your team once you sign up.

And please feel free to ask for our advice. As I'm sure you've see, were a friendly bunch of know-it-alls with varied opinions. We'll be happy to give you our 3 cents worth. Probably even more. In fact, I bet you won't even have to ask.

Best of luck!

GenghisKahn
Mongrel FC 221913
USA V.188

[kuhnscoot]

Originally posted by AAGunner3
And please feel free to ask for our advice. As I'm sure you've see, were a friendly bunch of know-it-alls with varied opinions. We'll be happy to give you our 3 cents worth. Probably even more. In fact, I bet you won't even have to ask.



This here ^(Gunners quote) is the best advice, just ask questions of everyone in here, most of us here have a few seasons under our belt and have developed a decent understanding of how this game works. While most of us are still in divisions 4-6 most people here know a little of what happens. Also, if you do happen to get relegated, don't get discouraged, because more likely then not, you'll get put in a bot league in division 6 and be able to work through your problems while still winning your series rather easily.

I take that back, although AAGunner did give the best advice, read the rules, look at the forums, those will help you adjust to what goes on in the game.

[MLS SupaStr3]

Originally posted by AAGunner3
STOP!
Don't do anything more with your team other than set lineups and accept friendlies. Stay away from the transfer market, new coaches, stadium stuff until you've done some more research.

Check out:
http://usa.hatstats.info
http://central.hatstats.info
http://hattrickgameday.tripod.com/hattrick/id8.html
http://www.databased.at/hattrick/x-ray/index.asp

Looking at Hatstats, you seem to have taken over the 7th place team. It appears that you'll be competing against at least 3 playmaking trainers (3-5-2), a scoring trainer (3-4-3) and who knows what else. I bet you can compete with Hags and Stingesk right off the bat. Check your fixtures and see if you play them in the last 5 weeks that are left. You've got a fight on your hands to avoid auto-relegation, but you've got a chance.

Oh, and read the Hattrick rules for the umpteenth time. I'm sure you've done some of this already considering the time it takes to get your team once you sign up.

And please feel free to ask for our advice. As I'm sure you've see, were a friendly bunch of know-it-alls with varied opinions. We'll be happy to give you our 3 cents worth. Probably even more. In fact, I bet you won't even have to ask.

Best of luck!

GenghisKahn
Mongrel FC 221913
USA V.188


i dunno if staying in V is the best thing u can do. if u get relegated to VI u can experiment with lineups and stuff. when i got my team there were 2 weeks left in the season and i got autorelegated. ive been able to build up my team and i dont think im doing bad.

DO NOT UPGRADE UR STADIUM YET THOUGH. when i first got my hattrick i had no idea what i was doing and blew a *#*#*#*# load of money building 50 seats in my stadium...not very smart...wait a while till u get a fan base

[ArsenalTexan3]

I wish I had known this thread was here when I got started. Would have saved me alot of time and trouble.

On the good news side, my Irish winger which I bought for less than $40k just sold for $150,000 and my young 17 youth pull looks like he will be going for $245,000 and I will be almost $300k in the black. I might just rely on youth pulls for the rest of the season and from crowds, but it'll keep me from worrying about going into debt.

My advice: invest in the youth squad; don't jump into the transfer market; stick with one training; if you jump into the transfer market, make sure the players are at least inad in either scoring, winger, playing making, defense, or goaltending; if you have questions, ask; don't spend all your money at once; get supporter(only $22 in rl money); join some cool feds when you do get support, there is alot of tips you can get from these places; support my club when you get supporter :D ; check out those links that were given to you; and all above.

[GersMan]

When I read the Hattrick rules it seemed to indicate that I should avoid big splashes on my youth system and pay a little bit each week, so I've been putting $5000 in every week. Is that right that it won't ever get to passable unless I make it $10,000?

I do get training benefit for all of my teens, because I play in a friendly league (almost all international friendlies btw because it's set up in England) and I use the 2nd teams in the friendlies. Without fail I get 22 players into the match each week.

I'm training playmaking and i'm hoping that in another season and a half i'll be able to sell one or two of my central midfielders for big bucks (solid) and then i'll probably switch to defending. I may at that time try to upgrade my coaching and/or improve my stadium (although i have yet to need the latter as my team is just struggling to stay in Division V).

[AAGunner3]

Originally posted by MLS SupaStr3
i dunno if staying in V is the best thing u can do. if u get relegated to VI u can experiment with lineups and stuff. when i got my team there were 2 weeks left in the season and i got autorelegated. ive been able to build up my team and i dont think im doing bad.

DO NOT UPGRADE UR STADIUM YET THOUGH. when i first got my hattrick i had no idea what i was doing and blew a *#*#*#*# load of money building 50 seats in my stadium...not very smart...wait a while till u get a fan base

My pride kept me from accepting a relegation to Div VI. I'm glad I stuck it out because I finished 4th in my series my first year. Now, as I stated earlier, if he wants to survive his series, he's got a tough fight on his hands. I think his aim should be for 5th or 6th place so that he gets to play a relegation match. Let that determine whether or not he's fit to stay in Div V.

Also, nothing wrong with upgrading your stadium right off the bat. You just got to know what your doing. Don't pay 30k just to build 50 seats. ;) New players will soon need some expanded capacity beyond the initial 7K.

Originally posted by GersMan
When I read the Hattrick rules it seemed to indicate that I should avoid big splashes on my youth system and pay a little bit each week, so I've been putting $5000 in every week. Is that right that it won't ever get to passable unless I make it $10,000?

I don't know that 5k is worth it. I spent 20k my first year until I reached passable, then backed it off to 10k to keep it there. 10K will get you to passable slowly. By the end of 14 weeeks, you'll have a passable youth squad with 20k a week. TO get it above passable, you need to consistently spend 20k a week.

Losing money as a newbie is almost a given. Just don't foolishly waste the money and at the very least, make sure you have a good training regimen/program.

The youth program is a lot like the lottery. I think the general consensus is to consistently pay 20k a week for the youth squad (if you have it). A lot of people are not so sure that having an excellent youth squad is worth it though. It's still in heavy debate.

GK

[Craig P]

Originally posted by GersMan
When I read the Hattrick rules it seemed to indicate that I should avoid big splashes on my youth system and pay a little bit each week, so I've been putting $5000 in every week. Is that right that it won't ever get to passable unless I make it $10,000?The rules are good for telling you how everything works, but not very good for advice on how to play. Youth squad investment is a tradeoff of how much you want to pay against how good the squad will get. Even with a good squad, it's still a lottery, and there's no hard data on how well any level of youth squad pays off, on average.

If you were to ask on conferences, the majority would say to go to full youth squad investment, but a) most of them are to the point where they have enough income that $10 000 is not the difference between making a biweekly profit and not, and b) none of them really know how well it pays off.

Basically, I'd say that you should make a decision about whether you want to fund the youth squad at all, and then fund it as well as you can afford while still making a profit.

I do get training benefit for all of my teens, because I play in a friendly league (almost all international friendlies btw because it's set up in England) and I use the 2nd teams in the friendlies. Without fail I get 22 players into the match each week.

I'm training playmaking and i'm hoping that in another season and a half i'll be able to sell one or two of my central midfielders for big bucks (solid) and then i'll probably switch to defending. I may at that time try to upgrade my coaching and/or improve my stadium (although i have yet to need the latter as my team is just struggling to stay in Division V).The point I was making about a lot of teens is this: You're training playmaking, which means that six players every week get full training and four more get half training. For teens at any other position, you've paid a premium to get a player who can be trained quickly, but you're not training them. Better to use older players at those positions now and then buy trainees when you switch to another program.

(By all means, you should have teens at your inner mid spots for training.)

[Craig P]

Originally posted by MLS SupaStr3
DO NOT UPGRADE UR STADIUM YET THOUGH. when i first got my hattrick i had no idea what i was doing and blew a *#*#*#*# load of money building 50 seats in my stadium...not very smart...wait a while till u get a fan base I don't necessarily agree with this -- if you can get off to a good start, even the initial supporter base is too large for a 7000 seat stadium. I upgraded to 13000 out of my seed money, and although my first crowd in the stadium (in the last game of season 19) was disappointing, the following season I was consistently selling out.

I DO agree that you should be careful about upgrading -- add enough seats for the fixed charge to be worth it, and use an arena sizer (or your own knowledge - the formula is simple at 62.5%-25%-10%-2.5%) to figure out how many of what kinds of seats to add.

[kuhnscoot]

Originally posted by MLS SupaStr3


DO NOT UPGRADE UR STADIUM YET THOUGH. when i first got my hattrick i had no idea what i was doing and blew a *#*#*#*# load of money building 50 seats in my stadium...not very smart...wait a while till u get a fan base

Yeah I made a mistake like that as well. building only like 75-100 VIP seats wasn't worth it.

Definitly avoid the transfer markets, that's something I did not do, I was always in there looking for players, and I over bid on a few. It's not fun when almost half of your seed money is spent on two players. And another 1/3 of it spent adding only 100 seats. But hey I've learned from my mistakes and my team didn't suffer much from it so I'm doing alright. I do like it when people over pay on my players though, always nice to get the extra bucks.

[GersMan]

Originally posted by Craig P
The rules are good for telling you how everything works, but not very good for advice on how to play. Youth squad investment is a tradeoff of how much you want to pay against how good the squad will get. Even with a good squad, it's still a lottery, and there's no hard data on how well any level of youth squad pays off, on average.

If you were to ask on conferences, the majority would say to go to full youth squad investment, but a) most of them are to the point where they have enough income that $10 000 is not the difference between making a biweekly profit and not, and b) none of them really know how well it pays off.

Basically, I'd say that you should make a decision about whether you want to fund the youth squad at all, and then fund it as well as you can afford while still making a profit.

The point I was making about a lot of teens is this: You're training playmaking, which means that six players every week get full training and four more get half training. For teens at any other position, you've paid a premium to get a player who can be trained quickly, but you're not training them. Better to use older players at those positions now and then buy trainees when you switch to another program.

(By all means, you should have teens at your inner mid spots for training.)

thanks - for me it is vital to get the youth program built up. i have 400,000 in the bank and 22 teenagers, 2 at each position, I only play them and i have 4 other low salary guys basically to fill in in case of injury. they are strictly there for cover.

going up to 10,000 a week wouldln't be a problem i don't think, but 20,000 would keep me from making a profit.

but the youth thing is vital because that's goign to be my future income source

in the future i will need money to upgrade the stadium, higher a better coach, and then buy the topline players i will need to have a chance to advace through the ranks. I don't care about winning my division this year (or even avoiding relegation), but I want to be building toward making a real run toward the top.

[ArsenalTexan3]

Ok folks, I have a bit of a problem. I want to change coaches and here who I am doing it with.

From: Clifton Jack (12782108)
43 years, poor form, healthy
A inadequate coach who is defensive minded
A controversial person who is balanced and righteous.
Has brilliant experience and inadequate leadership abilities

To(current option right now):
Trevor Bishop (3863406)
29 years, passable form, healthy

A sympathetic guy who is temperamental and honest.
Has passable experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

-------OR-----------
Wait until the start if next season for:
James Parkinson (13708359)
30 years, wretched form, healthy
A pleasant guy who is balanced and upright.
Has weak experience and passable leadership abilities


If I go with Bishop as the coach, it will cost me $263,100 to make him passable at skill level. He will have inad leadership and be neither fond of attacking or defending.

Right now I'm projected at having $412,000 next week after a $480,000 profit this week. Should I just wait until the end of the season or what?

[kuhnscoot]

Originally posted by GersMan
thanks - for me it is vital to get the youth program built up. i have 400,000 in the bank and 22 teenagers, 2 at each position, I only play them and i have 4 other low salary guys basically to fill in in case of injury. they are strictly there for cover.

going up to 10,000 a week wouldln't be a problem i don't think, but 20,000 would keep me from making a profit.

but the youth thing is vital because that's goign to be my future income source

in the future i will need money to upgrade the stadium, higher a better coach, and then buy the topline players i will need to have a chance to advace through the ranks. I don't care about winning my division this year (or even avoiding relegation), but I want to be building toward making a real run toward the top.

Question for you, do you have any spokespeople for your team? They can help you bring in more money from your sponsors. Most people will say that division 5-6 should have about 6 spokespeople. I have 6 and they help me bring in almost 55,000 from sponsors a week. And an economist can help as well, but if he isn't pulling his own salary then he's not worth it.

I can make close to 90,000 a week when I have a home game, which easily covers my youth pulls for two weeks of $20,000 investment, plus whatever I sell the player for. It is worth it to invest full in your youth system.

[Danks81]

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